Tann Hauser, 04 Apr 2018So much circumstantial subjective speculation around a simple fact that Sony just has a differ... moreCalling the omission of basic features for high-end smartphone camera such as bright lens and OIS "different approach" sounds like another excuse to me...
I never said it is going to affect the sale of DSLR, but compact cameras will certainly take a hit. Their entry compact digital cameras all have pretty horrible JPEG processing and right now the only advantages they hold against the camera inside XZ2 is zoom and OIS. But if they put OIS onto their flagship phones, what would you expect to happen? Well, there would be less reason to buy Sony's compact over Xperia for the camera. In fact many of their cheap compacts have 1/2.3 inch sensor, which is exactly the same size as the one on XZ2. And because zoom lens narrows down the aperture quite dramatically, in terms of low-light performance they wouldn't stand a chance against modern flagship smartphones. Faster lens(let's say F1.7 or 1.8) will widen the gap even further for the night time photography. Highend compact like RX100 series wouldn't be affected as much though, because its pure image quality is still vastly superior to any smartphone in the market right now and its target customer segment is completely different from those buying smartphones. You can say exactly the same for Xperia and Walkman, by the way.
If U want to see more how both phones handles in low light condition typye in YT "Samsung Galaxy S9 Plus vs Sony Xperia XZ2 - foto-porównanie aparatów"
And Samsung fans please don't cry, U cant do nothing with this.
Shanti Dope, 04 Apr 2018YouÂ’re the only one saying itÂ’s oversharpened when itÂ’s clearly not.
The XZ2Â’s low light ... moreNo anyone thatis not bias and knows what they are talking about who looked at the samples can clearly see that the xz2 has a fair amountof sharpening.
And clearly they are not the only to notice since I can see it too
Shanti Dope, 04 Apr 2018YouÂ’re the only one saying itÂ’s oversharpened when itÂ’s clearly not.
The XZ2Â’s low light ... moreI never said that noise is bad. but Sony applies way too much. its way too much.
while Samsung reduce it in result a more pleasant image for I believe on most people eyes here.
Anonymous, 04 Apr 2018Lol. were you here long time ago ?
ahh I've been recognized~ thank you. sincerely, lek.
btw, S8 was doing excellent too with its single lens back then for y'all who needs to know
Shanti Dope, 04 Apr 2018It has more noise, but no sharpening.
Now that they're using the same multi-frame stacking me... moreWhy don'tyou look at the article before commenting?
The Sony ones are clearly more sharpened and digital looking than the galaxy ones
Nick, 04 Apr 2018That's most likely because the camera on XZ2 doesn't turn down the strength of sharpening in l... moreItÂ’s not business all the time.
Sony doesnÂ’t include OIS because thereÂ’s no way to fully disable it in times that itÂ’s not supposed to work. For photos, it will do wonders, but is horrible for videos.
You see, the S9 is still kind of wobbly when recording 4K videos, whereas the XZ2 is only less stable but no distortion. They wonÂ’t include one until thereÂ’s finally a solution to disable it completely for smartphones.
As for aperture, f/2.0 is a nice balance for daylight and low light pictures. Go lower and your images will be softer in daylight, especially in the corners. Go higher and your images will look unusaable in low light.
But one thing I like about the S9 is the variable aperture, so I believe that Sony may use it too in the future. But then people would say Sony is copying Samsung, while completely ignoring the fact that Samsung took inspiration from Sony for the slow motion 960fps @720p for the S9 and S9+.
lek, 04 Apr 2018but Sony's noise is terrible, way too much. aggresive sharpening make the noise getting detail... moreYouÂ’re the only one saying itÂ’s oversharpened when itÂ’s clearly not.
The XZ2Â’s low light pictures are often just as sharp as its daylight pictures, while the S9 has dropped its quality quite significantly due to more aggressive noise reduction.
If thereÂ’s one thatÂ’s more natural, itÂ’s the Sony. Noise arenÂ’t supposed to be reduced by a huge margin, except when itÂ’s overly too much that ruins the quality of the photo (in this case, doesnÂ’t). Even DSLRs take pictures with noise despite the better details, so less or no noise doesnÂ’t always make an image better, and it applies to the S9.
Nick, 04 Apr 2018That's most likely because the camera on XZ2 doesn't turn down the strength of sharpening in l... moreSo much circumstantial subjective speculation around a simple fact that Sony just has a different approach than all the rest to mobile camera photography and video, and does it also extremely well, and innovates with new features in the process.
Increase in mobile sales would in no way affect their camera buissness, as those are just simply different markets, and people buying DSLRs just want more quality than smartphone cameras, but of course are also buying and using smartphones.
Panino Manino, 04 Apr 2018I don't use those social networks, so I don't care, but I understand the argument about sharin... moreTrue.
Manual mode capabilities have never been tested. It would have to be quite thorough and long articles tho.
And I have yet to see an Xperia tested in compare to other 12mpx cameras, by its 12mpx auto mode (present in MotionEye). Nobody did that, ever.
And by my experience, lower 8 mpx automode processing indeed reduces noise visible on maxmpx >200% pixelpeep (to me irrelevant tho, as I never use more than 100% crop in any of my photo editing).
Panino Manino, 04 Apr 2018I don't use those social networks, so I don't care, but I understand the argument about sharin... moreI'm pretty sure Sony removed the option for 8MP downsampling mode and replaced it with 12MP option which is basically a downscaled 19MP(= no difference in quality). Also Sony phones never supported capturing photos in RAW format in the past, so I don't think GSMArena could've done the test in your way when comparing those two, which is very unfortunate...
Panino Manino, 04 Apr 2018Like others have pointed, the S9 is compromised by the high ISO.
S9 ISO 1250 - https://cdn.gs... moreThat's most likely because the camera on XZ2 doesn't turn down the strength of sharpening in lower ISO like it does for noise reduction. Noise reduction not only smudges details but artifacts as well, so when shooting in low sensitivity, excessive amount of sharpening noises are revealed, but when it is using higher ISO where it utilises much more aggressive noise reduction, artifacts are wiped away along with luminance noise and details and the end result is actually significantly cleaner looking photos.
Sony really should improve the software algorithms for camera next year, and adopt OIS and faster aperture lens for better handheld nighttime photography.
The thing is that, Sony is trying too hard to protect their other business department - If flagship Xperia had decent cameras, they would cannibalise Sony's own compact cameras so they want to make sure that their smartphone business would not affect the sales of cameras in any way. That's why they are intentionally using inferior parts for cameras, such as dim lens and a main camera module with no OIS built-in. It's a business strategy, I know, but it is really sad to see that by doing that they are making a fool of their own customers, including those defending XZ2's camera quality.
lek, 04 Apr 2018but Sony's noise is terrible, way too much. aggresive sharpening make the noise getting detail... moreLol. were you here long time ago ?
Anonymous, 04 Apr 2018Samsung won this guys. They know full well who's the main target audience for their phones's c... moreI don't use those social networks, so I don't care, but I understand the argument about sharing resized photos. Reducing the size makes wonders to some images and it works both ways here. If you say that S9 have too much noise reduction, don't matter, won't make a difference on Facebook and Instagram. If you say that Xperia have more texture, don't matter, won't make a difference either.
That being said, I'm really tired of these incomplete tests, those that only uses auto to make the comparison "fair".
I wanted to see the manual controls be more explored, examples to how you can process RAW fast on the devices, and in this case comparisons between high res mode and superior auto on XZ2. Maybe using 8mpx some of those artifacts are cleaned.
I'm impressed. I didn't expect Sony's camera to be that good. Was going to buy it anyway.
Shanti Dope, 04 Apr 2018Not just that it has more details. The S9+ also got some noise, which proves other people's po... morebut Sony's noise is terrible, way too much. aggresive sharpening make the noise getting detailed more (in this case, Sony's image processing), so how can you say sharpened pic is more natural??
HuLk, 03 Apr 2018Hahahaha.........are you trying to tell yourself, Samy Fanboy? Please read the conclusion aga... moreso you need to read the conclusion again carefully.
Sony's low light only produced better image quality if you use a tripod. bold the 'SUPPORT IT PROPERLY' sentence in that conclusion. in a practical way, Samsung did better on that scene.
daylight scene, I prefer Samsung's (Sony's dynamic range sucks), but if you really into that conclusion, it's a TIE, bold the 'THE SUPER-CLEAN GALAXY VERSUS THE NOISIER BUT MORE DETAILED XPERIA' sentence.
slow-mo vid, CLEARLY Samsung.
4K vid, a TIE based on that conclusion.
Btw, I'm a Nokia Banana user. LOL