wadia13, 25 Apr 2018Why the heck would I own the phone given my opinion of it? And you're saying people can only c... moreSo how do you judge a phone is ugly and you haven't experienced the feel?? There are many YouTube reviews out there which praise the craftmanship of Nokia 7 plus and any person that looks at 7 plus can confirm the copper accents are actually mind blowing!! Your opinion is just hate we know your type, so just take a chill pill hate is not good for your health bro!!
AnonD-145316, 25 Apr 2018One question for you, do you own the phone?? If not shut up!!Why the heck would I own the phone given my opinion of it? And you're saying people can only criticize phones that they own? If that's the case, I'd guess over 99.9% of the negatives comments about any phone on this website should be deleted. In sum, I say you shut up.
Nokia12, 24 Apr 2018Ohh yes i forgot SD 650 was a hexa core ,
It depends how the governor uses CPU , most uses ... moreFair enough, thanks.
My wish: Nokia would give software update that optimize it more, up to the level of Samsung A9 (2016). That would be awesome
Those copper accents look horrible IMO. And the sharp edges make it a bit hard to hold. Not to mention big size & heavy weight. No thanks.
LLL, 24 Apr 2018Hi, thanks for the reply. Some interesting information there, although I am not sure if I can ... moreOhh yes i forgot SD 650 was a hexa core ,
Super Amoled should be efficient during video playback , whereas LCD should have an edge during web browsing ..
Then there is sd 660 which is not based on stock arm cores but instead uses semi custom Kyro cores has a better modem and other things .. So hard to make direct comparison .. What changes were made to the core.. My guess is efficiency gains have been utilized to get more performance out of gpu instead of cpu..
Rn5 pro has a 5.5 inch screen with slightly bigger battery and 7 plus has 6 inches , so I think power consumption of both would be rougly similar .. Then there are other things like software which in case of redmi note 3 if you check gsmarena mentions that it had a power saver mode that was always on .. So that can affect results as well.. We can only get a rough idea with so many variables and without somebody doing proper testing
But I don't think there is anything wrong with Nokia 7 plus , oppo r15 pro also have similar battery life if you take account into differences
brandstifter, 23 Apr 2018Wow, how did I turn into a hater in your head?
I like Nokia's approach, but waterproofing is ... more>If it was smaller
I'm going to stop you right there. It's called 'plus' for a reason.
I see few guys are saying Nokia 7 plus is expensive but not in India I will get Nokia 7 plus for 23000 thousand indian rupees,plus other offers .Nokia 7 plus is more worth than OPPO f7 and vivo v9 .
Nokia12, 23 Apr 2018I was going to mention 650/652 in my previous post but accidently hit submit button. anyways .... moreHi, thanks for the reply. Some interesting information there, although I am not sure if I can agree with all of it.
I tend to exclude the screen type factor because OLED is not always more efficient, but depending on the contents. OLED is more efficient when it displays largely black color, while LCD is more efficient when it displays largely white color. So, I just put more emphasis on the screen size and screen resolution. That's just me though. Cmiiw
I know the SD650 only has two big A72 cores and four (not six) small A53 cores. It also runs them at lower maximum speed, compared with SD660. The GPU parts are different as you just mentioned.
But here's a question: when doing web browsing or video playback routine (those screen on tests), do these chipsets actually run at maximum clock speed most of the time?
Since the higher the clock speed the higher the power draw, I can imagine the SD660 draws lotsa power when running at maximum. Otherwise, when running at the same speed that is just moderate, the newer smaller process node chip should have the advantage, thus drawing less power.
And lest we forget, 28 nm to 14 nm is a pretty big jump, skipping the 20 nm.
Anyway, there are other factors that may come into play here that we haven't touched upon.
However I can't be sure without AnandTech's level of in-depth tests.
At the end of the day, according to GSMArena test, I take the Nokia's score as just good but it could have been better optimized. It got beaten by RN3 with SD650 and A9 (2016) with SD652 even more.
Engineblock, 23 Apr 2018I think what people are pissed about this phone in general is its price tag, and I kind of agr... morePeople tend to go outside where it sometimes rains and snows. If you are lucky even an unprotected phone will survive, but relying on that is a bad idea. On the other hand, if you have a protected phone you don't have to care anymore. You even can use your phone in the rain, taking photos and videos.
I've been using waterproof phones since 2014 and that's the best feature added to smartphones in the last five years. The only time I made a mistake of buying a non-waterproof phone it lasted less than an year before dying a predictable death under a tropical downpour.
As for the size, Nokia lacks a small/medium phone in its middle-end or high-end range. They already have a large lower-middle-end phone (Nokia 6), it would make much more sense to make Nokia 7 closer to S8/S9 in size, if not to Sony's Compact series.
The battery on this phone is below expectations, but could fixed with a software update, which this phone will get for at least 3 years
brandstifter, 23 Apr 2018Samsung uses water protection for midrange, Sony have been doing it for ages. It is an absolut... moreThat person whomever he/it/she is doesn't know that smartphones ranges were dictated by their SoC and not the features that it has. It's a general knowledge that everyone should know . Let us say that you have a company and you made a phone with features like Galaxy S9 with SD450 SoC. You can declare it as "flagship" of your own company but in general public you just released a low-end phone. It will be significantly slower than a competition that has a SD845 flagship SoC.
FinnishInquisition, 23 Apr 2018OP5T and Mi 6 were significantly more expensive at the time of release. If you wait a year, th... moreThat kind of logic is wayy behind. Look at the NOW perspective and NOT the PAST. The OP5 and Mi6 were old flagships and has gone down in price. Mi6's price in the market is now in the new 2018 midrange territory while the OP5 has gone down a bit but much higher than the Mi6. Now Nokia 7 Plus' price is higher than Mi6 but just a bit lower than the OP5. It's place (in terms of price) is between two flagships that have SD835, 6GB RAM and UFS storages while only having the midrange 660 (SoC) and (probably) only having an EMMC storage. It's not that hard to compare these three especially using GSMArena's compare tool. I don't see this Nokia 7 Plus selling in the places where Huawei, Oneplus, and Xiaomi were present. It's only chance is when these 3 were totally absent or when the shipping tax were very bloated.
Engineblock, 23 Apr 2018I think what people are pissed about this phone in general is its price tag, and I kind of agr... more"On standby this phone performs exceptionally well, it is screen on all the time that is poor result (been using it for couple of days already, can confirm this)"
Please elaborate with me about this.
Engineblock, 23 Apr 2018I think what people are pissed about this phone in general is its price tag, and I kind of agr... more"Forget IP54/IP67, no one in routine jumps into a pool of water with smartphone in their pockets."
My friend, your reasoning is imaginary and impractical. Meanwhile you forget about rains. Having IP54/67 will certainly eliminates any concern on using a phone under rain. As I said before, it is an absolute must unless you don't leave a building. A phone constantly used outdoors will need the most durability features it can have, one of them is IP54/67.
AnonD-733422, 23 Apr 2018As I said before 2 months- Xiaomi Mi note 3 is much better smartphone and cost only 300$.Where... moreThe main problem is Xiaomi Mi Note 3 is hard to find. Even in my country Indonesia, which is located in Asia (Xiaomi's main market), it is not being sold officially, it's only buyable via black market. Buying via black market like this is more risky. Meanwhile, Nokia's phones, including Nokia 7 plus, are international; they have been granted official permission to be sold here and now are just waiting to launch officially. Also, MIUI isn't everyone's cup of tea, proven by Xiaomi Mi A1's success.
I think what people are pissed about this phone in general is its price tag, and I kind of agree. Specs have given a new way how people look at smartphones and judge them. For the specs, it seems a 300 EUR price would have been much more appropriate and acceptable to a bigger population.
However, one can also see the negatives being pointed out for this phone. Most commonly been:
1. No IP54/67 protection
2. Too big to hold
3. Battery not living upto expectations, considering its size
Every one is entitled to their opinion, however, with today's smartphones, I think most important thing is performance and how snappy is it, considering apps are demanding more and more each day. My Lenovo P70 always was smooth for around first 1.5 year, running facebook, instagram, messenger without problems. Lately, it started to struggle with facebook installed, instagram wouldn't be that snappy anymore. A phone that is able to fight off the app demands is the right phone. Forget IP54/IP67, no one in routine jumps into a pool of water with smartphone in their pockets. My younger brother once put the good old Nokia 6230i into a glass of water, I kept it in sunlight for a day and bingo, it worked as if nothing happened. The smartphones will get bigger, because people ask for it.
The battery performance is not blowing away others, because its a 6" LCD screen - hardly efficient. Why it has LCD is another discussion. On standby this phone performs exceptionally well, it is screen on all the time that is poor result (been using it for couple of days already, can confirm this)
LLL, 23 Apr 2018I just rechecked Xiaomi Redmi Note 3's battery test results. For a 5.5" Full HD device running... moreI was going to mention 650/652 in my previous post but accidently hit submit button. anyways ..
650 uses only 2 cortex a72 cores rest 6 being a53 so it isn't a fair comparison ..
Fair comparison would be SD 652.. Which uses 4xa72 .
Like I mentioned before that you can "either" get efficiency at same ""clock speed"" OR you can get more performance at same power level ..
So SD 652 example is galaxy a9 2016 .. with 4000 mah battery it gets 13.5 hours or so in web browsing but endurance and other numbers are fantastic mainly because of using super amoled that has much lower power consumption..
In SD 652 a72 clocked at 1.8ghz and a53 at 1.4 ghz and gpu is at 600mhz .. SD 660 at similar clocks would have been way more efficient but manufacturer has gone for more performance instead of effeciency .. And increased clock speed of a73 to 2.2ghz (23% more )and a53 to 1.85ghz( 28% more ) and gpu to 850 mhz ( 41% more ) .. For roughly similar power draw..
As a result ( some additional performance improvement because of using a73 vs a72 ) it gets big improvement in performance ( check benchmarks ) but power consumption remains roughly same or marginally higher
In antutu v6 from Android central benchmarks SD 653 - 80k and SD 660 -120k .. Gpu alone is 50% faster here check more benchmarks
Some other example of SD 660 based phones are oppo r11 and r15 pro .. R15 pro got 10 hours in web browsing with super amoled but 3400 mah battery ...