ZolaIII, 10 May 2018You have bunch of long run benchmarks on Anandteach. It's natural that big GPU's that are also... moreOn Galaxy S throttling is about the same on both Adreno and exynos version
Throttling reach sometime 50% on GPU!
In real game it's even worst, sometime, in 15 minutes T760mp8 on Exynos 7420 can fall under T760mp2 of mt6752! Ok it's full HD vs QHD but it's not normal! It's real test, not benchmarks!
Most testers only use benchmarks and it's lying.
Huawei with kirin 950 provide 880mp4 that doesn't throttling, it was one of the best gaming machine of the generation...even on real-racing 3 (renderered in full HD on allait machines), it get better framerate than Exynos or snapdragon
Now they do like others! Throttling GPU for benchmarks!
Propaganda of Mediatek????
Most western websites, most western users do Propaganda against them.
Many still think that x20 CPU throttles and that's a lie! 650, 652, 805, 808 throttle far far far more, nobody talk about it!
There was propaganda against octocores when mt6592 was released! Now everybody do octo A53
There was propaganda against tri-cluster and config with 2 Big cores...now Arm propose this kind of config with dynamIQ or Samsung does tri-cluster on 7885 and rumors talk about 2+6 on Snapdragon 700 serie.
They show dual-camera at mwc before the others, nobody talks!
They show AI on X20 at mwc before the other, nobody talks!
Vp9 support before Qualcomm, nobody talks!
Distant wireless charging, nobody talks!
In my country, websites about Android prefere talking about Apple than talking about Mediatek! They choose the P25 version of Meizu Pro 7 and compare it to flagship, not any test of X30!
Mediatek is one of the most trolled company on web!
Anonymous, 09 May 2018Have you test it? No! Read what Gsmarena write! About this F7 About R15 and R15Pro Read mo... moreMediatek should do something ,so people know p60 is different from the older one
DroidBoye, 10 May 2018I want you to focus more on the price point that this device with Helio P60 is being targetted... moreYou can also get P20 Lite for 15,990 PHP with beautiful looks (If performance does not matter to you). Also, cameras are comparable, same Notch display, comparable battery life, and it has Fast Charger! (with USB C)
Anonymous, 10 May 2018Please test. Install fps meter tool like gamebench and mesure in real games...it's often the ... moreYou have bunch of long run benchmarks on Anandteach. It's natural that big GPU's that are also power hungry throttle down still Snapdragons throttle far less than MALI's. Take your time & see independent expert reviews on Anandteach again for Kirin 970, Equnos 9810, Snapdragon 845 and 835 if you dig a bit harder you can also find ones for Apple A SoC's. They all still fall very much regarding sustainable performance behind Adrenos. Don't fall for MTK propaganda materials. Imagination Power VR is still best licensable GPU even their also lost a bit of their magic with determination of driver's quality. Chinese behind an US investment fund bought American Imagination (which is still in US) after US government forcedly split its MIPS CPU business (still mostly in UK) and they ware forbidden by all means from aqureing MIPS as US wants to undercut Chinese long run Academic work on MIPS architecture. Sad story actually. RISC V is a cure for illness. We will see what will happen with Imagination all do I don't have high hopes. If you want to test throttling of a midgrade GPU's (A510, A512, G72 MP3 & similar) in the real available gaming conditions I advise you to use Xenowerk (it's solid, stable uses EGLS 3.0 same as 90% of available games do & it's free) because it has extended settings & it's about as much as they can push maximum anyway on maximum settings with 60 FPS caps limit. Talks about EGLS 3.1 with testilation (Android extension) or Vulkan are unreasonable as we simple aren't there yet and because the hardware isn't capable enough on abridged consumer device for developer's to hassle with potential 5~10% of market especially on platform where people aren't keen paying for anything.
Anonymous, 09 May 201820000 what? Bananas?bananas are little costly, 20000 bananas will cost around 30000
GSM Team, Humble request to you. Can you please include the specific "subjective" comments from the long-term review to your phone reviews going forward? I think the purely objective reviews (like the current one) have outlived their useful life. It is the "Frustrations/Niggles/Annoyances" section in the long-term review which gives a real insight into whether a smartphone is suitable for a person or not. I know this is going to put you in a tight spot - Accusations of being "biased", "bought by X/Y/Z company" and so on. But I think you guys have earned a good reputation for being unbiased over a long period of time, that you can confidently proceed with this.
PS: The reason why I ask for it - I bought a Meizu M1 Note 3 years back, purely based on the excellent GSMArena review once it was available in India. But my experience with that phone was absolutely Terrible. I am guessing that the long-term review would have captured the issues with that phone easily, instead of the pure lab-test based one devoid of subjective observations.
ZolaIII, 10 May 2018Actually Adrenos as still a old ATI design in it's heart & good in FP calculations and not... morePlease test.
Install fps meter tool like gamebench and mesure in real games...it's often the same story :
huge difference in benchmark, small in real games (of course with same settings).
Once more, Gsmarena doesn't notice differences in real games.
About Imagination Technologies, it's a very sad story...unfortunately, they weren't a big competitor in soc for Android, Intel disappears, Exynos use Mali for many years, Mediatek use them sometime (but with very bad sales of X30...)...And as Apple stop using them, they can disappear. Now a chinese tech companie buy them. Chinese want to developpe their own soc, wait and see...
Future : American patent troll vs Chinese company with State's financial help! What a wonderfull world! I'm a stupid european with a fully open market in the middle of that!
It's amazing how powervr can handle heavy resolution even with a small amount of cores.
Even a 2 cores 6250 can handle many games till 2560x1600.
1 core PowerVR=2 or 2.5 cores Mali
But they carry a big weakness for the future...Tesselation is really bad!
In my opinion, it's not a mystery if GFXBench doesn't test tesselation and AnTuTu 7 isn't released on iOS
About GPU frequency, I'm agree...but it's strange that nearly all 800 serie's GPU throttle heavily in benchmarks with low frequency. (see GFX-bench Manhattan 3.1 on-screen and Manhattan 3.1 Long Term).
As thermal and consumption are linked...
Some demoes at MWC 2018, 660 at left, 835 at right :
DroidBoye, 10 May 2018I agree about the graphics performance, it's not competitive with Adreno. Very nice info about... moreFrom the IP owners. P6 is also function/algorithm reprogrammable while QDSP's aren't. CEVA has more powerful designs then Tensilica (CEVA-MX CEVA-NeuPro) regarding NNU (more luts & multipliers) but those are also more of a special purpose (AI NN) than general purpose DSP's and also less scalable but still good backed up with software frameworks and reprogrammable. All do it whose a tuff choice at the end Tensilica had & still has a wining design regarding me even Q6 is only a P6 optimised design.
ZolaIII, 10 May 2018Their is no dedicated AI on MTK P60, it uses Tensilica P6 DSP for the NNU purposes similar as ... moreI agree about the graphics performance, it's not competitive with Adreno. Very nice info about the AI chip, where did you get these? I want to know how it work compared to Qualcomm DSP, Google Pixel, and Huawei NPU.
Anonymous, 10 May 2018It's not the same level at all...
Mediatek use DSP for AI before Qualcomm, it's already the c... moreActually Adrenos as still a old ATI design in it's heart & good in FP calculations and not so much regarding texture fill rate that's why they enchanted the texture unit on Adreno 6 series & more because they ware afraid of Imagination than MALI.
On the contrary game's are mostly about texturing capacity as that after all determine the level of details they can push. That's why you see a large performance gains on the GPU's when you pair them with faster RAM. Benchmarks are just exaggerated with more taxing textures commercial engine based scene's that are there in the first place to tax hardware, so they do reflect the games of tomorrow. It's not a same if one GPU can push the same limited frame rate while keeping the utilisation lower along with lower frequency to another one keeping the same frame rate while being much more utilised & on the top frequency all the time. The Adreno 5 series are almost 2x efficient to G72, Adreno 6 pushes this to 2.4x level. We will see if ARM continues aggressive to push MALI generations every year in the two to three years they me by catch with Adrenos.
I know a rather lot about Tensilica P6, I am D&R, Synopsis, Cadence subscriber and I ever reviewed it some year and a half ago.
tachyon, 10 May 2018i was tempted to get the F7 6gb/128gb at 21990Php because its the only one available with that... moreOh god, that's pretty sweet deal BTW, I didn't take into account Oppo's storage option which is 128GB. My bad.
AnonD-737474, 10 May 2018Is snapdragon the only SoC that provides bluetooth 5.0? Sure seems like it..One thing that Mediatek remove (last year's X30 using bluetooth 5.0)...in my opinion, the only small weakness of P60 for the future.
But there aren't many bluetooth 5.0 headphones/devices yet
ZolaIII, 10 May 2018Their is no dedicated AI on MTK P60, it uses Tensilica P6 DSP for the NNU purposes similar as ... moreIt's not the same level at all...
Mediatek use DSP for AI before Qualcomm, it's already the case on old X20...
AI perfs are probably around 70GMAC on 835 compared to 280 on P60
Tensilica P6 is still DSP but was designed for AI.
About GPU, you're so focused on benchmarks, install fps counter like gamebench and test...Mali G72 is a more modern GPU
It will loose on old OpenGL API, nearly all your games will reach the 60fps limit of your screen. But it's very close for newer, you see Vulkan score, you see equal 3D score on Antutu 3D (that include Tesselation scene)
Qualcomm makes GPU (and whole soc) to succeed in benchmarks, benchmarks are often focused on textures, Adrenos are focused on textures
Read carefully the Oppo R15/R15 Pro test...they said in real-game, they don't notice any difference...it's often the case from ages.
Even on old 32bits Snapdragon 801 vs mt6595...twice the score for Adreno 320 in some benchmarks, very close framerates in real games!
Is snapdragon the only SoC that provides bluetooth 5.0? Sure seems like it..
DroidBoye, 10 May 2018I want you to focus more on the price point that this device with Helio P60 is being targetted... moreNokia 7 Plus vs Oppo F7
DroidBoye, 10 May 2018I want you to focus more on the price point that this device with Helio P60 is being targetted... moreI'm agree about price...Oppo's is too high
About violations, how Sony or Nokia are able to update?
Why Google continue to sign relashionship with Mediatek such as GMS Express?
Why there are no condamnations?
Violations from Qualcomm's were condamned
OK now you're agree about close perfs between P60 and s660
Main difference between P60 and 835 is GPU...Outside GPU Benchmark and a small amount of game it's nearly useless.
Otherwise P60 is nearly as fast, AI is better
I don't see any P30 at the moment, small amount of P23...
Mediatek already stops X serie.
Don't want to see competition disappear on mid-range.
Put notch in "Cons" and plastic in "Pros". I'm tired of seeing fragile glass phones presented as premium ones. Moreover, notch is NOT a feature. It's just impractical.
Anonymous, 09 May 2018Agree about Notch...it's useless Chin doesn't bother me and it's usefull! Look at iPhone X ke... moreTheir is no dedicated AI on MTK P60, it uses Tensilica P6 DSP for the NNU purposes similar as QC still uses QDSP's. P6 is better solution than current QDSP's in NN, cost and support, soly the best part of the P60. That's where the fun ends, G72 can't even match two plus years old Adreno design regarding both power and performance & new generation of Adrenos is hire all do in the flagship's only for now bringing 40% performance improvement & around 30% efficiency improvement. A73's are just A73's and an old design now.
DroidBoye, 10 May 2018I want you to focus more on the price point that this device with Helio P60 is being targetted... morei was tempted to get the F7 6gb/128gb at 21990Php because its the only one available with that 6gb/128gb stat, and with good reviews at helio P60..I got it right away :D