ZolaIII, 10 May 2018Actually Adrenos as still a old ATI design in it's heart & good in FP calculations and not... morePlease test.
Install fps meter tool like gamebench and mesure in real games...it's often the same story :
huge difference in benchmark, small in real games (of course with same settings).
Once more, Gsmarena doesn't notice differences in real games.
About Imagination Technologies, it's a very sad story...unfortunately, they weren't a big competitor in soc for Android, Intel disappears, Exynos use Mali for many years, Mediatek use them sometime (but with very bad sales of X30...)...And as Apple stop using them, they can disappear. Now a chinese tech companie buy them. Chinese want to developpe their own soc, wait and see...
Future : American patent troll vs Chinese company with State's financial help! What a wonderfull world! I'm a stupid european with a fully open market in the middle of that!
It's amazing how powervr can handle heavy resolution even with a small amount of cores.
Even a 2 cores 6250 can handle many games till 2560x1600.
1 core PowerVR=2 or 2.5 cores Mali
But they carry a big weakness for the future...Tesselation is really bad!
In my opinion, it's not a mystery if GFXBench doesn't test tesselation and AnTuTu 7 isn't released on iOS
About GPU frequency, I'm agree...but it's strange that nearly all 800 serie's GPU throttle heavily in benchmarks with low frequency. (see GFX-bench Manhattan 3.1 on-screen and Manhattan 3.1 Long Term).
As thermal and consumption are linked...
Some demoes at MWC 2018, 660 at left, 835 at right :
DroidBoye, 10 May 2018I agree about the graphics performance, it's not competitive with Adreno. Very nice info about... moreFrom the IP owners. P6 is also function/algorithm reprogrammable while QDSP's aren't. CEVA has more powerful designs then Tensilica (CEVA-MX CEVA-NeuPro) regarding NNU (more luts & multipliers) but those are also more of a special purpose (AI NN) than general purpose DSP's and also less scalable but still good backed up with software frameworks and reprogrammable. All do it whose a tuff choice at the end Tensilica had & still has a wining design regarding me even Q6 is only a P6 optimised design.
ZolaIII, 10 May 2018Their is no dedicated AI on MTK P60, it uses Tensilica P6 DSP for the NNU purposes similar as ... moreI agree about the graphics performance, it's not competitive with Adreno. Very nice info about the AI chip, where did you get these? I want to know how it work compared to Qualcomm DSP, Google Pixel, and Huawei NPU.
Anonymous, 10 May 2018It's not the same level at all...
Mediatek use DSP for AI before Qualcomm, it's already the c... moreActually Adrenos as still a old ATI design in it's heart & good in FP calculations and not so much regarding texture fill rate that's why they enchanted the texture unit on Adreno 6 series & more because they ware afraid of Imagination than MALI.
On the contrary game's are mostly about texturing capacity as that after all determine the level of details they can push. That's why you see a large performance gains on the GPU's when you pair them with faster RAM. Benchmarks are just exaggerated with more taxing textures commercial engine based scene's that are there in the first place to tax hardware, so they do reflect the games of tomorrow. It's not a same if one GPU can push the same limited frame rate while keeping the utilisation lower along with lower frequency to another one keeping the same frame rate while being much more utilised & on the top frequency all the time. The Adreno 5 series are almost 2x efficient to G72, Adreno 6 pushes this to 2.4x level. We will see if ARM continues aggressive to push MALI generations every year in the two to three years they me by catch with Adrenos.
I know a rather lot about Tensilica P6, I am D&R, Synopsis, Cadence subscriber and I ever reviewed it some year and a half ago.
tachyon, 10 May 2018i was tempted to get the F7 6gb/128gb at 21990Php because its the only one available with that... moreOh god, that's pretty sweet deal BTW, I didn't take into account Oppo's storage option which is 128GB. My bad.
AnonD-737474, 10 May 2018Is snapdragon the only SoC that provides bluetooth 5.0? Sure seems like it..One thing that Mediatek remove (last year's X30 using bluetooth 5.0)...in my opinion, the only small weakness of P60 for the future.
But there aren't many bluetooth 5.0 headphones/devices yet
ZolaIII, 10 May 2018Their is no dedicated AI on MTK P60, it uses Tensilica P6 DSP for the NNU purposes similar as ... moreIt's not the same level at all...
Mediatek use DSP for AI before Qualcomm, it's already the case on old X20...
AI perfs are probably around 70GMAC on 835 compared to 280 on P60
Tensilica P6 is still DSP but was designed for AI.
About GPU, you're so focused on benchmarks, install fps counter like gamebench and test...Mali G72 is a more modern GPU
It will loose on old OpenGL API, nearly all your games will reach the 60fps limit of your screen. But it's very close for newer, you see Vulkan score, you see equal 3D score on Antutu 3D (that include Tesselation scene)
Qualcomm makes GPU (and whole soc) to succeed in benchmarks, benchmarks are often focused on textures, Adrenos are focused on textures
Read carefully the Oppo R15/R15 Pro test...they said in real-game, they don't notice any difference...it's often the case from ages.
Even on old 32bits Snapdragon 801 vs mt6595...twice the score for Adreno 320 in some benchmarks, very close framerates in real games!
Is snapdragon the only SoC that provides bluetooth 5.0? Sure seems like it..
DroidBoye, 10 May 2018I want you to focus more on the price point that this device with Helio P60 is being targetted... moreNokia 7 Plus vs Oppo F7
DroidBoye, 10 May 2018I want you to focus more on the price point that this device with Helio P60 is being targetted... moreI'm agree about price...Oppo's is too high
About violations, how Sony or Nokia are able to update?
Why Google continue to sign relashionship with Mediatek such as GMS Express?
Why there are no condamnations?
Violations from Qualcomm's were condamned
OK now you're agree about close perfs between P60 and s660
Main difference between P60 and 835 is GPU...Outside GPU Benchmark and a small amount of game it's nearly useless.
Otherwise P60 is nearly as fast, AI is better
I don't see any P30 at the moment, small amount of P23...
Mediatek already stops X serie.
Don't want to see competition disappear on mid-range.
Put notch in "Cons" and plastic in "Pros". I'm tired of seeing fragile glass phones presented as premium ones. Moreover, notch is NOT a feature. It's just impractical.
Anonymous, 09 May 2018Agree about Notch...it's useless Chin doesn't bother me and it's usefull! Look at iPhone X ke... moreTheir is no dedicated AI on MTK P60, it uses Tensilica P6 DSP for the NNU purposes similar as QC still uses QDSP's. P6 is better solution than current QDSP's in NN, cost and support, soly the best part of the P60. That's where the fun ends, G72 can't even match two plus years old Adreno design regarding both power and performance & new generation of Adrenos is hire all do in the flagship's only for now bringing 40% performance improvement & around 30% efficiency improvement. A73's are just A73's and an old design now.
DroidBoye, 10 May 2018I want you to focus more on the price point that this device with Helio P60 is being targetted... morei was tempted to get the F7 6gb/128gb at 21990Php because its the only one available with that 6gb/128gb stat, and with good reviews at helio P60..I got it right away :D
Anonymous, 09 May 2018Have you test it? No!
Read what Gsmarena write!
About this F7
About R15 and R15Pro
Read mo... moreI want you to focus more on the price point that this device with Helio P60 is being targetted right now and the competitors that this device will face due to its pricing. Helio P60 was targetted by Mediatek as a budget upper midrange performance SoC in which having a performance that rivals that of SD660 though having performance slightly lower than that of SD counterpart. At Oppo f7 21,990Php price point the competitors were:
1. Mi Note 3 6/64GB with SD660 15,990Php
2. Mi6 6/64GB with SD835 20,999Php
3. Nokia 7 Plus with SD660 23,699Php
Comparing to the only the price of the Mi Note 3, I don't see why I would opt with P60 F7 smartphone and I don't see the "budget" upper midrange price either. And talking on the performance side? Nokia 7 Plus beats the F7 on benchmarks and surely the Mi6 with SD835 will trash that P60 Oppo F7 of yours and still having a lower price. Helio P60 should only be viable option when priced just slightly above the Mi Note 3. I would not want to buy a midrange phone if there's a more powerful flagship at a lower price available.
And don't talk about company issues because Mediatek has done more violations in development community than any smartphone SoC manufacturer still alive today.
I have this phone it's not bad only no have fast vooc charging and camera dim light are not good
DroidBoye, 09 May 2018It's performance is not that good compared to SD660 and I wonder how hot and how long does its... moreHave you test it? No!
Read what Gsmarena write!
About this F7
About R15 and R15Pro
Read most reviews, see most tests on youtube
About heating? You think A73 at 2.2 in 14nm on 660 (samsung 14nm equal to tsmc 16nm) heats less than A73 at 2.0ghz in 12nm? Really?
See heating comparison video at MWC (competitors are 660 and 835).
You won't do it, because people that have premade opinions aren't curious!
Mediatek throttle less often than Snapdragon.
If you talk about X20, try it for real, it is able to run all his cores at full speed during more than 10 minutes, not only 810 isn't able to, but 805, 808, 652, 650 can't too.
I would see 845, they increase perfs with the same 10nm process + A75 that are bigger + higher frequency...I haven't any doubt about P60, you should have some about 845!
I don't want any soc from a company that was condamned several time for unfair commercial behavior!
+ Their so called "semi-custom" Kryo 260/280 cores are nothing more than the 4A73+4A53 configuration you can find on P60...
How Qualcomm can be a so overated company!
Some here even compare P60 to 430!