Walter C. Dornez, 24 Jul 2018I see. Glad to hear that. Now I know this question is going to trigger you. What do you t... moreBeen there, done that. I loved Samsung before, and had them since s3. Back when they had most of the "new" features they brag about today. But the edged screen and lack of bigger battery with the high focus on higher resolution, was the end of their quality. S7 was my last Samsung. But the active model is ok. Sadly only for the US. And then there is the 90+ bloatware, which I still haven't seen that high amount of, in any other brand. The bloatware is also the reason why Samsung is so slow on updates.
Zenodroid, 23 Jul 2018Sux with the unnatural fps on the back, but great phone for my usage. Gaming, talking, editing... moreI see. Glad to hear that. Now I know this question is going to trigger you.
What do you think of Samsung?
Anonymous, 23 Jul 2018With Huawei night mode we see mooore in dark........others will copy this teck because it is p... moreOr maybe because they use a monochrome sensor. Sony has just beaten the P20 Pro with its own monochrome sensor. Not to say the P20 Pro is bad, since it's held is own for awhile
With Huawei night mode we see mooore in dark........others will copy this teck because it is pure magic.
Nick Tagataka, 20 Jul 2018Of course there is no difference in details, it's fairly obvious that 5x zoom is basically a d... moreOh, so that's where you're stuck, well you know that that's untrue from phonearena's test already, the 1/1.7" 40MP "quad bayer" by itself is so bad in low light that Pixel2XL's 12MP, interpolated to 40MP, still has a massive advantage compared to P20P's 40MP mode.
Also the quad bayer messes up details because of low color resolution, which needs extra interpolation and results in more artifacts.
In fact the 10MP mode is still more prone to artifacts compared to the regular 1/2.55" 12MP bayer. This site has some samples that illustrate the issue, but it's easier to spot on Anandtech (moire on roof tiles) since they only have two galleries while GSMArena's samples are all over the place and the search system isn't great.
Anonymous, 20 Jul 2018No true. In cases where iphone, samsung, sony, etc will give you a black mess, p20 pro will ac... moreIt is half true. Where you could make do with auto, do not use night mode or it will smudge the entire image, where auto doesn't cut it, it will give you some highly artificial looking smudge which is at least better than nothing.
Nick Tagataka, 23 Jul 2018It is also not mentioned that sub-3x digital zoom on P20 Pro is called "Hybrid Zoom" (The same... moreWait, the sub-3x range has nothing to hybrid, 1x auto already uses both wide angles and the 3x optical doesn't come into the picture before 3x. Also there's the fact that the 40MP mode has very limited improvement itself in detail rendition compared to the 10MP auto, it's clear from both this site's comparison tool(only the map has slightly more detail, if you look really closely, everywhere else where there's supposed to be additional detail there's either smudge or interpolation errors) and Anandtech's review samples, among others.
Nick Tagataka, 23 Jul 2018I take back "almost no noise reduction" part but it is true that in PORTRAIT MODE (btw I've ne... more"pay more attention to what people say"
I fully understood what you meant, I replied under the assumption that portrait mode only adds some blur or other largely useless gimmicks but do not otherwise affect image quality compared to auto, unless the portrait mode also blurs the subject, in which case none of that really matters anymore.
Yeah I really don't care about those modes, I care about pure IQ so I won't even bother.
Nick Tagataka, 23 Jul 2018It is also not mentioned that sub-3x digital zoom on P20 Pro is called "Hybrid Zoom" (The same... more"the 1.1-1.9x zoom on P20 Pro is more detailed than what you can find on devices like U12+/S9+/iPhone X etc."
The 10MP auto already falls behind those models in terms of detail rendition at 1x, just use the site's photo comparison tool for starters. I've yet to see x1.1-x1.9 samples but I'm skeptical about that, the 5x hybrid for example really yields no additional detail compared to 3x optical.
"P20 Pro you can use both hybrid and optical zoom in low light situations"
And you think the optical is still worth it in those situations? I didn't really look into this but I don't think 1/5" is a good match for low light at all, as for what "hybrid" really is it seems nobody ever did a test where they'd block/unblock the wide angle cameras while at 5x to investigate the difference, shame.
Nick Tagataka, 20 Jul 2018Because Night Mode is really just there to extend dynamic range in low light and reduce noise ... more"especially at night"
No, only at night, reliably.
The iPX is falling behind among flagships because Apple stubbornly clings on to its 1/3" which is too small by any modern measure, but the P20P's smearing NR and ugly oversharpening means in some daylight shots the iPX may still yields higher quality, moreover the iPX has a reliable 2x optical meaning the P20P loses clearly in the 2-2.9x zoom range.
At night the single 1/3"'s weakness in photon collecting is amplified and the 1/1.7"(surprisingly weak on its own, see phonearena's night shot comparison) and 1/2.3Â“ BW's combined output has the advantage.
AnonD-754421, 23 Jul 2018"almost no noise reduction or sharpening applied" You don't know what you're talking about, n... moreI take back "almost no noise reduction" part but it is true that in PORTRAIT MODE (btw I've never talked about NR/sharpness applied in auto mode, pay more attention to what people say) the software processing is more laid back than other phones with the same feature. Take a look at P20 Pro vs S9+ article on this website to confirm what I'm saying here.
AnonD-754421, 23 Jul 2018One more thing, I should repeat that sub-3x zoom on the P20P is entirely digital and is of not... moreIt is also not mentioned that sub-3x digital zoom on P20 Pro is called "Hybrid Zoom" (The same name but it's different from 5x zoom) and is still quite a lot better than normal digital zoom which only involves upscaling of the cropped image. And because of this the 1.1-1.9x zoom on P20 Pro is more detailed than what you can find on devices like U12+/S9+/iPhone X etc. And don't forget on P20 Pro you can use both hybrid and optical zoom in low light situations as well, unlike others which completely disable the secondary lens whenever light is not sufficient.
J-K, 20 Jul 2018Read just about every review on this phone and I don't think I've read any that truly brings u... moreI'll add about the fake 960fps that this post on xda: "the truth of 960 fps slow mo", by ketman5001(posting links may cause issues so please do a search), contains a lot more information.
It seems to record in 240fps then either interpolates the framerate to 960fps or just plays back 240fps video in 1/4 the normal speed (effectively 7.5fps) depending on the quality of the frames which are in turn determined by lighting condition, very interesting.
Walter C. Dornez, 23 Jul 2018Ah, I see. How is it?Sux with the unnatural fps on the back, but great phone for my usage. Gaming, talking, editing pictures and video from my Canon. And great for the money ;-)
Nick Tagataka, 21 Jul 2018"Others justify it as okay as long as you aren't pixel-peeping"
...? Photos from P20 Pro's us... more"almost no noise reduction or sharpening applied"
You don't know what you're talking about, never say that about a phone camera, or anything under 1". And since auto mode doesn't fit your description(much more apparent NR and sharpening compared to the competition) I don't think you've been paying proper attention, or that you're just saying that without valid comparison.
AnonD-754421, 23 Jul 2018"long-exposure shot" "The Night Mode is one of this cameras highlights and it works exactly ... moreOne more thing, I should repeat that sub-3x zoom on the P20P is entirely digital and is of notably worse quality than what the 2x opticals could achieve, for some reason the comparison was made on this site yet this is omitted in this article.
"The Night Mode is one of this cameras highlights and it works exactly as advertised."
"The results it produces seemed impossible without a tripod until the P20 series arrived"
Is this still the same team that did the review and comparisons with other models?
1. It's *not* long exposure, it's stacking short exposures, and it's been documented to leave severe ghosting in many instances. You also won't be shooting light trails because it's simply *not* long exposure.
2. Night mode smears considerably more than auto mode (I think most on this site have already seen the pastel-like effect of the render) and should not be relied upon unless under conditions where auto mode fails.
3. Compacts have had multi-frame NR(essentially the same as this "night mode" "long exposure") for many years, even the RX100 supports that through Playmemories, it's a simple software trick that only maybe Huawei first ported to a smartphone.
4. A real professional using a smartphone as backup would definitely want a model with proper bayer, S9, Pixel2, HTC U11 etc all render much more predictably and with better compatibility with professional post processing software like LR.
Zenodroid, 22 Jul 2018Op6. The p10 plus is still the same price as the op6, here. So I just went with the newer one. Ah, I see. How is it?
Walter C. Dornez, 22 Jul 2018Man that sucks. What phone do you have now Op6. The p10 plus is still the same price as the op6, here. So I just went with the newer one.