Sony Xperia XZ3 review Comments
- Mike
- LHe
kakouille, 14 Sep 2018Did you read the review? "Hence, a more OLED-relevant standard was developed by the Ultra HD ... moreThere is a good reason why XZ3 has lower brightness and that's to control PWM flicker as well as hue shifts which happen on suboptimal brightness level. Have you noticed how white backdrops are not white until certain high level of brightness is hit? Have you ever noticed screen flicker when brightness us suboptimal? That's because OLED unlike LCD requires to be set at optimal brightness in order to perform properly. Higher the brightness means lower the threshold of optimal performance which usually translates to optimal performance happens and the very top of the brightness level at which point it burns your eyes.
- kakouille
- NhC
Shanti Dope, 14 Sep 2018Then you might as well say that Galaxy phones suck because their manual brightness peak is jus... moreDon't change the subject and read the review.
Sony Brightness, HDR and Color Accuracy sucks.
Samsung screen = the best.
From the review "the s9+ does have the superior display"
And the Note 9's full-screen peak display brightness is 710 nits, Highest Peak Display Brightness (1050 nits with 710 nits at 100% APL).
- Shanti Dope
- Kg{
kakouille, 14 Sep 2018Brightness is a KEY element of HDR.
Sony HDR SUCKS according to the review
"However, not all... moreThen you might as well say that Galaxy phones suck because their manual brightness peak is just at 370 nits, and that's what people use more often.
Technically, all OLEDs suck at HDR due to their nature of being lower in brightness compared to IPS LCDs, so for true HDR, the G7 ThinQ is the best, purely for its 1000nits alone.
- Shanti Dope
- Kg{
Nick Tagataka, 14 Sep 2018Well... that's just pointless. Note 9 is simply an overall, better rounded device out of 2.
N... moreNah
Great design is different from great looks. The Note 9 is just the latter. It ain't ergonomic. Its physical size already removes it from that category.
For 9 years of experience using OLED screens, I expect nothing but one of the best OLED screens. However, the XZ3's first generation OLED screen has just matched the Note 9's, which makes us believe that they will beat Samsung soon in this aspect, since their Bravia team is now working closely to their Xperia department (Sony has also been defeating Samsung in TVs lately).
XZ3 also has great battery life. And quite frankly, the Note 9's endurance rating was actually slightly lower than the standards for a 4000mAh battery device.
XZ3 also has flagship level performance. Any flagship of 2018 does, so it's not a Note 9 exclusive kind of thing.
Doesn't lag? Okay, but I tried the Note 9 in Samsung store and it had a lot of delay when swiping up and down the app drawer. It even has a hiccup when going to Bixby page.
Great camera and video, but others have caught up and beaten it, even the XZ3 does.
XZ3 also has great stereo speakers, even slightly louder than the Note 9's.
S Pen and headphone jack are probably the only true advantages of the Note 9. But I would disagree with the extra $350 asking price.
Technically, the XZ3 is a Sony version of the Galaxy S9. Wait for the XZ3 Premium, the Sony version of the Galaxy Note 9.
- kakouille
- NhC
Shanti Dope, 14 Sep 2018Bruh, that also just talks plainly about brightness.
XZ3 only reached HDR400 because of its l... moreBrightness is a KEY element of HDR.
Sony HDR SUCKS according to the review
"However, not all HDR-certified devices are created equal and it is worth noting that by all accounts, the panel on the XZ3 is on the lower end of that spectrum.'' = Display sucks.
- Shanti Dope
- Kg{
kakouille, 14 Sep 2018Sony HDR sucks.
According to the review.
"However, not all HDR-certified devices are create... moreBruh, that also just talks plainly about brightness.
XZ3 only reached HDR400 because of its limitation to 400 nits max brightness.
For the time that Samsung has been making OLED panels, I was expecting them to go beyond HDR800; they didn't. So which HDR sucks now?
Color accuracy is just a bit more of an effort to the manufacturer's side, and Sony knows that people prefer the bluish appeal to the screen than the warm but accurate one.
I know many of my friends with a Samsung phone and they always use the Adaptive Display mode with a bluish tint instead of the accurate Basic mode.
- Shanti Dope
- Kg{
Nick Tagataka, 14 Sep 2018The problem is that HDR10 video recording capability is an extremely rare feature which litera... moreIt's obviously still niche since it's relatively new still.
But the benefits are present and cannot be ignored.
Recording one doesn't just need a DRAM. It also needs a powerful ISP that could handle that much data, and the sensor itself must also be capable of seeing 10 bit colors.
Stabilization will be limited of course, but the usage of this video recording will mostly be for professional use, in which the users will invest for a good gimball rig or such.
This feature is beyond half-baked. Not perfect, but certainly usable and functional. When done right, it could provide seriously stunning results that blow anything else away. From well-exposed scenes to great variety of colors, 4K HDR video recording just takes video recording to a whole new level of experience. Who knows, maybe in the future, smartphones will be used to film movies already.
- Nick Tagataka
- gRy
Shanti Dope, 14 Sep 2018I hope you realize that I'm actually trying to prove how much better the XZ3 is against the No... moreWell... that's just pointless. Note 9 is simply an overall, better rounded device out of 2.
Note 9 doesn't lack in any specific area - Great design + ergonomics, class-leading display, great battery life, flagship-worthy performance + feature-rich and bug-free software that no longer exhibits lags, great camera in both stills and video, great stereo speakers + a headphone jack with one of the best audio output quality, and S-Pen if you're a fan of stylus(well, I'm not, but there are definitely some people who like using one on a phone).
In order to compete with Note, a phone must be at least equally good in every single section I mentioned above. Only some phones such as iPhone Xs or upcoming Mate 20 Pro, which are also expected to be a great all rounder device, can match Note for instance. XZ3 doesn't have particularly excellent display, design, camera, or battery etc. compared to Note, and yes, the price of Sony flagships will drop shortly after their release, but then that's going to be more about the better "bang for the buck" and not the overall quality as a product. It's like comparing OnePlus 6 to Galaxy S9, OnePlus 6 offers more FOR THE PRICE, while S9 quite literally offers MORE FEATURES.
- Shanti Dope
- Kg{
Nick Tagataka, 14 Sep 2018P20 Pro packs a 24MP front-facing camera(which is probably roughly around 1/2.8 inch diagonall... moreEarpiece speaker isn't as good as on the XZ3, which is larger than that of the P20 Pro.
Front camera sensor is just larger in size, but image quality is lower than that of the XZ3's. It doesn't even have autofocus.
Huawei crammed everything too much inside, and could be critical for the internals when the phone is damaged. Sony doesn't have a camera bump, and that is, the XZ3 has a thicker sensor due to its real memory-embedded sensor (P20 Pro only uses software for 960fps super slow motion).
Sony didn't want to reach those levels. They are concerned more on the practicality side, where in reality, you'd need the extra space more than you'd want it to be shaved off.
I took this realization from the fact that there are no multimedia device I've tried to use and be as good as Sony phones are.
- kakouille
- NhC
Shanti Dope, 14 Sep 2018And it says what?
Galaxy phones only coped up because of higher brightness levels, and have n... moreSony HDR sucks.
According to the review.
"However, not all HDR-certified devices are created equal and it is worth noting that by all accounts, the panel on the XZ3 is on the lower end of that spectrum.''
"VESA has a competing and arguably more precise HDR standard, in recently released, which defines three tiers of HDR (HDR 400, HDR 600 and HDR 1000). Without digging too deep into the standard itself, we can clearly see the XZ3 only covers the first level. The point we are trying to drive across here is that, as far as HDR screens go, the XZ3 is not the end-all of mobile devices".
Brightness and color accuracy sucks too.
- Shanti Dope
- Kg{
kakouille, 14 Sep 2018Did you read the review?
"Hence, a more OLED-relevant standard was developed by the Ultra HD ... moreAnd it says what?
Galaxy phones only coped up because of higher brightness levels, and have nothing to do with color gamut, in which the XZ3 covers wider range than the Note 9.
- Anonymous
- sys
Why no microscope shot of the xz3 screen? Are they using an RGB OLED or a Pentile?
- Anonymous
- 4QP
Oh but sonys display is the absolute best!!!
At least they improved the camera processing a bit lol
- Nick Tagataka
- gRy
Shanti Dope, 14 Sep 2018It can. Nobody said it can't. But 4K HDR is a different thing from standard 4K, which the Not... moreThe problem is that HDR10 video recording capability is an extremely rare feature which literally no average consumer will give a damn about, and it's even more niche compared to something like super slow-mo or 4K60fps recording. The stabilisation is limited since this type of HDR recording is extremely processor intensive, and its framerate is also capped at 24fps so the whole footage will look shaky and junky. That might explain why Samsung decided not to enable HDR10 recording on Note 9 even though it is technically possible(DRAM is required for this feature, and Note 9's main sensor has one): they just don't want to confuse their customers with half-baked features which are rarely used.
- Nick Tagataka
- gRy
Shanti Dope, 14 Sep 2018The issue is that the internals of the bezels require that much space. The front camera is 1/... moreP20 Pro packs a 24MP front-facing camera(which is probably roughly around 1/2.8 inch diagonally) and the earpiece which acts as a secondary speaker, yet height of the notch is noticeably shorter than that of the top bezel on XZ3. And Huawei then managed to pack 3 cameras on the back, one of which is a large 1/1.7 in sensor, and huge 4000mAh battery, all in more than 2mm thinner body. So Sony could've cut down the bezels to Galaxy S9/Mate 10 Pro level, if that was what they really wanted to do.
- kakouille
- NhC
Shanti Dope, 14 Sep 2018Nope
Samsung's panel is roughly just 8-bit with some software enhancements to reach near 10-b... moreDid you read the review?
"Hence, a more OLED-relevant standard was developed by the Ultra HD alliance, requiring 540 cd/m2, the same blacks and a contrast of at least 1,080,000:1. Our standard tests measure brightness with the test pattern filling 75% of the area of the panel - a case in which the XZ3 fails to meet those requirements. But is should be noted that competing offers, like on recent Samsung devices do manage to cope.
Clearly, Sony has put quite a bit of effort on the HDR front, facilitating easy capture and playback. And for most users, those two points will be more than enough. However, not all HDR-certified devices are created equal and it is worth noting that by all accounts, the panel on the XZ3 is on the lower end of that spectrum.''
VESA has a competing and arguably more precise HDR standard, in recently released, which defines three tiers of HDR (HDR 400, HDR 600 and HDR 1000). Without digging too deep into the standard itself, we can clearly see the XZ3 only covers the first level. The point we are trying to drive across here is that, as far as HDR screens go, the XZ3 is not the end-all of mobile devices. Something we felt we had to address, after reading some of the discussions about Sony's latest flagship.''
- Shanti Dope
- Kg{
abubasim, 14 Sep 2018Closer to a RAW file? A RAW file is unprocessed. Sony's camera applies way too much of it, wit... moreWith all the chromatic noise left, I would say it almost had no noise reduction at all. But yep, it's not close to RAW.
- Shanti Dope
- Kg{
Subzero, 14 Sep 2018Where is the real difference with "NEW" camera software???
Sudio comparison XZ2 vs XZ3 shows ... moreNew software is now more happy to use higher ISO values.
Exposure is better as a result, and dynamic range was also improved quite a bit.
- Shanti Dope
- Kg{
TheGreyApe, 14 Sep 2018Surely though if they expanded the screen down so it was flush with the bottom of the phone it... moreYeah it will have less bezels, but it would look hideous.
It would look like the Mi Mix 2S, which in itself already looks odd to me.
S9 without curved edges is the best as it could get.
- kakouille
- NhC
Anonymous, 14 Sep 2018Stop it...only LG oled display technology is superior, may it be as the largest to the smalles... more"the s9+ does have the superior display"
from the review.
Read it again.
And LG oled phone display sucks big time.
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