MadMel, 31 Oct 2018"mediocre" like this?...
https://www.phonearena.com/news/Huawei-Mate-20-Pro-vs-iPhone-XS-Ma... moreWhile photos from all 3 are pretty great, I wouldn't say Mate 20 Pro holds any advantage over iPhone XS here. In most scenes iPhone XS has the finest details, and while Mate 20 Pro consistently creates the most eye-pleasing photo to many people (which is shown by overwhelming number of comments on the original article praising Mate 20 Pro's low light capability), I feel that Huawei could've done even better job in terms of pure image quality. Yes they toned down the sharpening from P20 Pro, but the noise reduction is still unnecessarily strong. P20 Pro's aggressive HDR processing was somewhat understandable because its lens quality wasn't that impressive which means they needed to mask it somehow, but since now they fixed it as well, it makes no sense for them to keep using the same algorithm instead of more natural, refined one.
I saw a blog talking about how Mate 20 Pro can perform better in Pro mode with RAW mode toggled on(this disables most of the post processing applied to JPEG) and I was like holy crap it's far better than any output you can get from full auto, why couldn't they just go this way instead.
Nick Tagataka, 01 Nov 2018I don't think that's the exact reason why Huawei held themselves back from releasing DXO score... moreMay be right, but with its capabilities if it would not help, it would be probably just ignored. Still thinking about it too seriously is too much, they give points also for some modes and capabilities that got nothing to do with quality, while ignoring others. Not to mention points there change way more than if its basic quality .
Nick Tagataka, 01 Nov 2018Lol'ed at "Fake ISO", there's not such a thing dude. You can clearly see the s*** tons amount ... moreMultiframe *is* fake ISO in all practical meanings. If the exposure time is 1/2^9 that needed at ISO100, then it's ISO51200, if it's taken 8 of those images consecutively instead and merged them, then it's effectively ISO6400.
That said I don't know if their claim of ISO51200 is with multiframe NR or not.
MadMel, 31 Oct 2018"mediocre" like this?...
https://www.phonearena.com/news/Huawei-Mate-20-Pro-vs-iPhone-XS-Ma... moreIf that comparison proves anything it's that the Mate20P doesn't have a significant advantage in low light, arguably less than the P20P had over Note8 and definitely less than that over the X.
The XS has superior DR in many instances, I don't even need to go into specifics. From the dusk shot it's clear that the Mate20P still applies much more aggressive NR and results in more smearing and less detail retention, like the roof tiles on the London Bridge smeared into goo while they were still slightly visible in the comparison shots.
While there's a shadow advantage in the shot after that, there are also ugly sharpening halos everywhere whereas the competition shows very little to none, and from the notably worse highlight retention in that shot you can tell that the Mate20P exposed to the right anyway so there's a metering factor there.
In the statue shots there's slight amount of movement blur in most of the shots suggesting human error, but otherwise it shows Huawei's tendency of excessive NR and sharpening in stark contrast with the relatively natural rendition of the other two.
And finally, note that PA claims that the phone tells them to hold the camera for a few seconds, indicating activation of the multiframe stacking night mode. The XS also stacks 4 frames by default but it's ZSL i.e. instantaneous capture from shutter release while for the Mate you're asked to hold still and wait, and the Note9 only takes one exposure AFAIK, so it isn't an entirely fair comparison due to the difference in operation requirements.
vrvly, 29 Oct 2018Just seen those 40mp beauties in photo tool, no magenta cast anymore, Noiseless, and so much d... moreI don't think that's the exact reason why Huawei held themselves back from releasing DXO score... but it might be simply because they feared that the score will drop from P20 Pro. I can see that some samples from Mate 20 Pro have less details than those from P20 Pro, and apart from slightly improved dynamic range, nothing else hasn't really been changed when it comes to image quality. DxO ignores the performance from super wide angle lens, too.
Or, simply they are saving the highest DxO ranking for their next flagship, P30 Pro. If it actually manages to improve the camera performance from Mate 20 Pro as much as P20 Pro did from Mate 10 Pro, then it will certainly reign supreme and no one else will be able to touch its score during 2019(whether scores from DxO is really legit doesn't really matter here), and this will be a huge marketing advantage for Huawei next year.
Anonymous, 29 Oct 2018Huawei says it goes up ISO51200, P20 Pro has fake ISO.
Not even professional cameras go a... moreLol'ed at "Fake ISO", there's not such a thing dude. You can clearly see the s*** tons amount of processing happening in photos taken in ISO above 12800. In these cases the phone tries to remove as much noise as possible by applying crazy amount of NR but digital noise is still very visible. It's not completely unusable though, because it's also employing multi frame stacking to remove the noise even further, but it's still far, far from being noiseless. They are indeed pushing ISO to ridiculous level and it shows in the image.
"Even if you select GOOG LIGHTING session, the 40 MP is brutally defeated by Sony and Google"
I checked it and I can see 40MP output from Mate 20 Pro brutally defeating any other phones in the list. Of course, I'm talking about in good lighting, low light is a completely different story.
Nicolas F, 28 Oct 2018Emm.. maybe I don't know something, but how "subpixel rendering" depends on the display's hard... moreIt depends if the display's driver circuitry(the "tail" of the display, one of the main reasons bottom bezels couldn't be shrunken down for so many years) is compatible with subpixel rendering.
Kiyasuriin, 30 Oct 2018Yes. EVERY phone has. just not of the same quality. Some, Like LG. pair together 4 of these. h... moreA few corrections:
1. DAC means Digital to Analog Converter
2. ISP means Image Signal Processor
Kiyasuriin, 30 Oct 2018Yes. EVERY phone has. just not of the same quality. Some, Like LG. pair together 4 of these. h... moreYou are wrong. DAC means digital-to-analog converter. And when people ask if there is a DAC what they mean is whether there is a dedicated DAC chip. On most of the phones the SoC handles that conversion. 32/384 is what SoCs like the SD835 and the Kirin 980 can handle, but the quality of this conversion is nowhere near as having a dedicated audiophile grade DAC.
The quad DAC in the LG is a dedicated DAC chip outside of the snapdragon SoC and thus it provides superior sound. Of course, this DAC is still a far cry from the dedicated DACs that high-end portable music players have, but is a step in the right direction, although with the dropping of the headphone jack, there are DAC chips in the dongle adapters - of course, they are small and quite inferior in sound quality.
As far as the mate goes, I think they would have advertised it if there was one. I have the non-pro Mate 20 and the sound quality through my headphones is quite mediocre, so I doubt it. If there is a dedicated DAC inside, then it is not a particularly good one.
40W seriously? A bomb?
Anonymous, 31 Oct 2018The low light performance is mediocre "mediocre" like this?...
The low light performance is mediocre
Kaloyan, 31 Oct 2018But it is a powerhouse, just one with average standby. 90 hours means nearly four days with 3 ... moreThanks for taking the time to read my comments, sir.
Yes i do understand how your lab test work. But it doesnt work in a real life situation. Stand by time is average, very good in others, then the total up score wasnt convince enough of it battery endurance. People will be confused as on other places they heard the battery life are very good, especially people that coming from apple and samsung user.
Sorry for the critics, as i find only the battery test from your site doesnt applied in real life situation. The rest of other things on the reviews, perfect. I'll support this website for a very long time now, just hopes u guys will keep improving.
Just find out the sensor is bigger than any smartphone camera out there, it's like a compact camera or older mirrorless camera quality
But it is a powerhouse, just one with average standby. 90 hours means nearly four days with 3 hours usage per day, but obviously you can get one or two days if you double that. You can use our tool here - https://www.gsmarena.com/battery-test.php3 - drag the screen-on-test to 4 hours, which means 8 hours SOT each day. Ann the Mate 20 Pro will get a 36h rating. Which is day and a half. So it's not bad at all.
If you can't understand our ratings - we always link the explanation below the picture. And if you want to see what it will do with your usage - just use this tool - https://www.gsmarena.com/battery-test.php3 - we made it exactly to help you make more sense of the tests and get a number tailored for you.
'real life' Mate 20 pro battery endurance
There many other reviews out there proves that Mate 20 pro is a real powerhouse.
Dont know what happens in this site lab test. Pretty much the same goes for previous Mate 10 pro & P20 pro 4000mah battery, easily can stand for 1.5 - 2 days of usage. Galaxy S8 lab test got 84h here, but we all know in reality, it doesnt even last a day.
Walter C. Dornez, 30 Oct 2018Holy crap, that's a lot of info. Looks like I'll need to read up more on this. Todah rabahHaha! pleasure! (nice job!)
Kiyasuriin, 30 Oct 2018Yes. EVERY phone has. just not of the same quality. Some, Like LG. pair together 4 of these. h... moreHoly crap, that's a lot of info. Looks like I'll need to read up more on this. Todah rabah
Anonymous, 29 Oct 2018Phone Arena gave 8.9 to Mate 20 Pro.
Then 9.0 to iPhone Xr..
LOL, that website always m... moreIphonearena
as i was saying everyone say different then iphonearena
U can learn something