Kangal, 21 Apr 2019Nope. Any phone in 2017 and beyond which lacks proper ingress protection (eg IP67, IP68, IP69... moreFlagship needs the best CPU available, IP rating , stereo speakers and HDR screen.
Whackcar, 21 Apr 2019The P30 Pro has two advantages over P30. 1. Better low-light performance (although P30 itself ... moreI see, thank you for answering my question. I totally agree with you on the resale value on iPhone, yes they indeed retain higher value compared to Galaxy or any other Android devices.
Kangal, 21 Apr 2019Nope.
Any phone in 2017 and beyond which lacks proper ingress protection (eg IP67, IP68, IP69... moreBuddy not everyone cares about IP certification. It may be important to you, but that doesn't make it a necessity for everyone.
Also, the upcoming $2000 Galaxy Fold & $2600 Mate X lack waterproofing too. Are they not flagship? Of course they are.
As for the cameras, i suggest you take a look at sample images of P30 before you assume it's imaging capabilities.
If you still think it doesn't classify as a flagship phone, then let's just agree to disagree...
easy ... some prefer iphone , and some prefer galaxy ... its their choice which phone the best for them ...
but usually , samfan easily getting hurt and feel uncomfortable when people prefer apple .....
It's not a big screen but 5.8" is definitely NOT small.
And I am unsure why 78hr battery endurance considered as "good"
Kangal, 21 Apr 2019Nope.
Any phone in 2017 and beyond which lacks proper ingress protection (eg IP67, IP68, IP69... moreIP certification does not classify a phone's flagship status. Otherwise the upcoming $2000 Galaxy Fold & $2600 Mate X are not flagships according to your opinion.
Also, once again i suggest you check out P30's in-depth review before you assume stuff about it.
Finally, i will just straight up say i find many flaws in your assessment & i disagree entirely with your viewpoint. That is my final word on the matter.
Nick Tagataka, 21 Apr 2019P30, if anything, has better quality optics compared to P30 Pro which uses a lens with wider a... moreThe P30 Pro has two advantages over P30. 1. Better low-light performance (although P30 itself is pretty great too thanks to the new RYYB sensor). 2. 5x optical / 10x hybrid zoom (compared to 3x optical / 5x hybrid zoom). Aside from those two improvements, the P30 is indeed pretty identical to the P30 Pro.
And you previously asked me about the prices. Well, they're in the same price bracket with negligible differences over here. Samsung & Huawei phones are quicker to drop in prices though, compared to iPhones. Thus buying iPhones grant you better resale value over here.
Whackcar, 21 Apr 2019I completely disagree with your opinion regarding the P30 not being a flagship. Whether you lo... moreNope.
Any phone in 2017 and beyond which lacks proper ingress protection (eg IP67, IP68, IP69) is definitely NOT worthy of being called a flagship. I mean, the Xiaomi devices are really neat but this is one area where they completely fail. The only exception to this rule is if the device is flagship in every metric, besides ingress protection, but counters this by having a removable battery (which extends the phone's longevity, value, and battery life).
Not having a security point is also a dealbreaker in a flagship. Which is why the iPhone Xr (barely) passes with its FaceID security system, and the Samsung S10e makes do with its side mounted fingerprint scanner. I don't see the cheap webcam based Android facial recognition, or LG's stupid Palm detection, as acceptable security systems. The reliable fingerprint scanner, wether it is the capacitive one, optical one, or ultrasonic one, are great options though.
And let's talk about battery capacitive. It is true, that I prefer a big battery, but this is not the only way to extend your battery life. One can actually have a small battery, but have average or even great battery life. Some ways of achieving this is with removable batteries (hotswap on the go), excellent fast charging and wireless charging (small top ups during the day), more efficient display (think Galaxy S4 vs S10e), more efficient processor (eg 20nm vs 16nm, big difference), and lastly much better software (be it optimisation, or cleverer prediction). I see the S10e with acceptable battery life, but I would call both the iPhone Xr's and the Huawei P30's battery life as pretty good.
Wrapping these points up: The Huawei P30 Pro is a flagship, the P30 is not.
I have nothing against Huawei (or any other company, as I don't shill). Besides, Huawei doesn't need my help in giving their phones a bad reputation (be it the bloated EMUI SkinnedOS, slow security updates, little platform updates, questionable customer service, and a hard time for enthusiasts/developers like me).
Now unto the point about the camera, yes, the Huawei P20 Pro, Mate 20 Pro, and the P30 Pro have excellent camera systems. However, the non-Pro versions they all have weaker camera sensors and lenses (and they all lack proper ingress protection). If you do not believe me, please check it out yourself.
And here's the thing about the camera tests, most reviewers have only tested the "Pro" versions and assumed the same results apply to the base versions because they have similar looking camera systems. They do not. And most tech-journo's like GSMArena don't have the best means to test and judge cameras. I can personally tell you the Pro's produce much better photos than the base versions, but I hope you actually go out and try these for yourself. This doesn't mean the P30's camera is significantly worse than the iPhone Xr's or the Samsung S10e's... that was taken out of context. It means the P30's camera is significantly worse than the P30 Pro's (or the Google Pixel 3XL for auto-capture, or the iPhone XS Max for video performance), however, the truth is it is only slightly worse than the iPhone Xr and Samsung S10e.
And I've said it before and I will say it again: the Kirin 980 is a great flagship SoC. It really is better than the sad-story Exynos 9820 we find common in the Samsung S10e, and I would prefer it to the QSD 845 (if it wasn't for the Custom Rom scene). The QSD 855 crushes it though, and it gets absolutely decimated by the Apple A11-Bionic, let alone the Apple A12-Bionic. Regardless, the performance of the Huawei P30 is not the reason why it is not considered a flagship phone. This does not diminish the quality or the value of the P30, it just means this phone isn't what you were quite thinking... this is around the same league as the OnePlus 6t and Xiaomi Mi9. It does not compete against the Sony Xperia One, LG G8, Samsung S10-variants, and the iPhone X-models. I hope that I have explained things more clearly this time around, and thanks for your patience with this long read.
aknsreddy, 21 Apr 2019Both of them stupidly expensive by more than 50percentageLemme guess: you dont like paying for R&D, assembly, packaging, marketing, delivery, the people managing the company, and the R&D for the next device to follow the current one.
Congratulations! You don’t support the evolution of technology, nor do you understand how technology is built and how companies and manufacturers work.
iphone is the most overrated tool ever. A few very good features, many drawbacks and many missing things. Absurd price, just for conformists and sheeple which keep buying and buying
Kangal, 21 Apr 2019The Huawei P30 isn't a flagship, unlike the iPhone Xr and the Samsung S10e.
The Huawei P30 ... moreP30, if anything, has better quality optics compared to P30 Pro which uses a lens with wider aperture of F1.6... Pro has an edge in low light solely because of the presence of OIS. Now, the question is, does the regular P30 have worse lens than S10e or iPhone Xr? Of course not, S10e has the worst quality lens out of three due to Samsung's attempt to eliminate the camera bump and make the body as thin as possible & very wide open F1.5 aperture in darker environment, whereas iPhone Xr and P30 are just as good as each other in this regard. Not to mention that the noise reduction that Samsung employs is far more aggressive compared to other two, which sweeps up a lot of details along with noise. Don't also forget that P30 is the only one that comes with the lossless digital zoom and 3x telephoto lens.
In terms of system performance Exynos variant of S10 series is behind P30 series in every single measure according to Anandtech, though it's unclear which series is better when it comes to sustained GPU performance(as right now there's something wrong with the regular P30's thermal throttling mechanism). P30 clearly edges out S10e in battery life though, if you look at GSMArena's battery test results... as well as in charging speed. And it's cheaper than S10e in many countries. Although I must agree that A12 has no competition from the Android side right now, I don't understand how Apple is even making a chipset that has performance almost comparable to older dual core Intel i series chipset, while only consuming 6W at most.
Finally, as for the Qualcomm variant of S10e: good luck with getting the proper custom ROM on that one. Any Galaxy sold in US comes with a locked bootloader so you can't even root it in the first place.
ishreal, 21 Apr 2019You must be absolutely delusional in your own little world. The P30 camera isn't "significantl... morehe must to diminish Huawei in order to make Samsung bigger than life...after first line "The Huawei P30 isn't a flagship, unlike the iPhone Xr and the Samsung S10e." , there's really no point to read the rest of his rant.
Kangal, 21 Apr 2019The Huawei P30 isn't a flagship, unlike the iPhone Xr and the Samsung S10e.
The Huawei P30 ... moreI completely disagree with your opinion regarding the P30 not being a flagship. Whether you look at it's specs or design, it is fully competitive with other flagships in it's price category. If you'd go around and read GSMArena's review of it's camera system, you'd find out it's image output is rather close to the P30 Pro, which makes it one of the front-runners in photographic abilities.
And you say it lacks "water-proofing". Well, the S10e lacks a under-display fingerprint sensor, A big battery & modern fast-charging capabilities. So you see, you can't point out individual aspects of a phone to claim one is better or worse than the other.
Kangal, 21 Apr 2019The Huawei P30 isn't a flagship, unlike the iPhone Xr and the Samsung S10e. The Huawei P30 ... moreYou must be absolutely delusional in your own little world. The P30 camera isn't "significantly worse", you can check GSMarena's review showing its almost identical. Going just off specs is not a good indication of the camera performance. Also the Kirin 980 performs just as good on day to day as any AWE or SD845-855. I've used Kirin 960, 970, and 980 phone's on top of many SD845 and you won't ever notice the difference in performance unless you just look at raw numbers, which are meaningless in real world use. Your use of hyperbole is just an indication you have no idea what you are talking about.
LOL, an iPhone VS random Android phone, it's like Lada Vs random Mercedes car.
Whackcar, 21 Apr 2019Why didn't you include P30 in this comparison? It costs the same as those two & arguably o... moreJust wondering, does P30 cost the same as those two in your country? In where I live P30 priced significantly lower than either of them, making it more like an undercutter rather than a direct competitor of S10e and iPhone XR.
[deleted post]To those who may ask for other brand to be compared with Galaxy S10e and iPhone XR...well, in specs/features sheet and money-based, you all are correct.
But, at least for me, Samsung is one of the Android phone pioneers which is available widely around the world and large company. Moreover, Samsung is the world's first challenger of Apple iPhone for long time ago. So, it is fair to compare both in all aspects, including the Software/UI.
Other brands may win for their specs/features only and the value for money, of course.