Nick Tagataka, 20 Jun 2019"He has chosen to put these up and omitted to mention or show any images at all where the Xper... moreAbsolutely not from emotion, bar my personal indignation that he's clearly coming at this with a pre-ordained outcome.
As an owner of the device, I absolutely know as a fact what triggers the HDR mode on the X1 and how easy it is to do. There is simply no way that a competent user shouldn't be able to wait for the symbol to come up for that situation - I am absolutely certain that Backlight Mode would activate in that situation and I know what it looks like when it doesn't. It didn't.
So either Saf is the world's worst smartphone photographer, he chose a result that didn't (and there were definitely examples that the camera would have presented where it would - that's precisely the scenario that the software would recognise as needing it. So why didn't he use the ones where it did?) Or he chose to frame the image until the Backlight symbol disappeared and then take the shot.
As a user of the device, I can tell you with conviction that backlight HDR was OFF on that shot. And there's no reason for that, as the phone WOULD have suggested it.
What irritates me, as someone who knows that the phone can absolutely nail an image like that, is that Saf CHOSE not to show an example. And he absolutely did make that choice.
My personal samples show similar shots of bright sky Vs a foreground. Tell me that the camera that produced these images is as bad as Saf made out.
He stacked that review.
Nick Tagataka, 20 Jun 2019Just in case you're wondering why he's making such a comment: Look at his user name, Nippon me... moreYup, i know. Its kind of amusing when he made that statement. Just to clear things up.
everett2000, 19 Jun 2019Further to the crowing masses seeking to hold up Saf's video as exhibit a: anyone who claims i... more"He has chosen to put these up and omitted to mention or show any images at all where the Xperia 1 uses it's auto Backlight Detection"
Proof that he deliberately chose samples where Xperia 1 didn't use Backlight Detection? Do you know how wide DR is on S10's camera? Are you also going to ignore the cake & indoor lamp shot as well, where Xperia didn't use HDR at all(Well, it's a "Backlight" Detection, so I suppose it doesn't get triggered unless it detects the sun shining behind the building or something)?
"He's clearly not showing images using the Night Scene mode or Low Light mode"
Maybe it did but Samsung managed to get brighter image?
"He doesn't make any attempt to compare detail retention"
Something he should've done for sure but probably he couldn't be bothered because both of them perform poorly in this regard.
"He doesn't mention colour accuracy"
Again, I agree with you on this one, something he definitely could've looked into when evaluating images from both phones. Though in that case it would be the best to turn off the Scene Optimiser on S10 since it sometimes tweaks the colors and contrast drastically.
I know SuperSAF is not the best when it comes to phone camera comparison, but to me it looks like you're speaking from your personal emotion rather than relying on a logic, especially where you talked about Backlight Detection stuffs. No offence though.
Shui8, 20 Jun 2019No. That is just pure BS. Its all about cost saving, for a bigger profit or a really bad marke... moreJust in case you're wondering why he's making such a comment: Look at his user name, Nippon means Japan - so it directly translates into "Japan Fan" in English. It's an account clearly made to troll non-Japanese brands(which in this case Samsung), so it's probably the best to ignore his comment.
everett2000, 19 Jun 2019,.... Because he clearly does?!
Saf admits himself that he doesn't know cameras that we'll.... more"a tiny bit of noise and has a very slightly narrower DR"
I'm sorry but "very slightly narrower DR" is a gross understatement of S10's camera's strongest point. In terms of pure dynamic range, S10 is significantly better than any other smartphones on the market right now when it successfully activates HDR. A few sharpening artifacts? I would say it's tons, even comparable to Nokia 9's level. And while Exynos S10 is pretty garbage when it comes to detail rendering thanks a mix of strong edge enhancement and noise reduction, horrible oversharpening of Xperia 1 is no better and there are clearly many devices that do better than those 2 in this regard. You should also keep it in mind that FD tends to overlook sharpening issues on recent Xperia and tend to favor punchier colors in low light, which Sony phones have been doing for a while.
I posted the original question out of curiosity, but you dare to attack me and say that I'm trying to ignore things to support my bias? There are radical fans of other brands as well but ones from Sony seem to be the most aggressive one, I just keep wondering why.
Anonymous, 19 Jun 2019SONY is OEM synonymous to ORIGINAL... samsung is synonymous to COPIER... Hohohoho....That is the dumbest argument I ever heard. The fact is that Samsung is the pioneer of SuperAMOLED displays and designs/makes 95% of the components on the phone by themselves.
I am no Samsung fanboy, but I had enough of childish troll arguments.
[deleted post]Pot calling the kettle black. You believe the words of other instead of your own eyes. Go and look at the photos.
I can say that Samsung tweaked nothing in it's fingerprint sensor. It's complete and definite garbage. Sometimes it doesn't unlock in tens of tries in row (and yes, even their counter to 5 failed tries in row sometimes doesn't work). Too clean fingers - fail, too sweaty fingers - fail, millimeter offset from ideal center position - fail, saturn is in taurus - fail. Junk tech.
NipponFan, 20 Jun 2019Japanese really like to design things optimally. That small battery is just enough for a day's... moreNo. That is just pure BS. Its all about cost saving, for a bigger profit or a really bad marketing strategy.
Sony spend very less money on marketing (people blame on its sales because of this) yet sell the phone high price like others (where the rest spends a lot).
Its the same excuse on Sony previous phone and fans blindly defending it.
- Single camera since ages
- No OIS since ages
- No OLED since ages
After their phones cannot sell, close shop on many countries, then they finally realize about it. Therefore Xperia 1 is a vastly improvement from Sony (use multi camera, add OIS, change to OLED) whereas others has apply it since ages thats why they succeed.
If Xperia 1 can squeeze that 3300mah battery life with good optimization, why not beat others by putting bigger battery? Ditch the useless dynamic vibration that eats space. Really hope they can improve it in future. I'm a Sony fan, but not a blind one.
Japanese really like to design things optimally. That small battery is just enough for a day's use...
I really wish it was more, for Sony's sake... People are really disheartened by the small battery, despite the phone being great in everything else.
Anonymous, 19 Jun 2019In digital photography, information is lost forever when you overexpose but you can usually br... mores10 overexposed? seriously? is it you eye or your display that also suck smh
SpiritWolf, 19 Jun 2019Even blind can see, that Xperia main camera postprocessing is miles above Galaxy. But then aga... moreYou want to talk about the snail pics? I see no details on the snail in Xperia 1's photo because of overexposure.
Anonymous, 19 Jun 2019The details on the snail are all gone because of overexposure.told you, x1 dynamic range sucks..
I dont trust the knowledge of youtubers. But at least Ray (flagshipdroid) gives better explanation. Of course is nowhere near what a photographer could explain but is much more than Supersaf, Mrwhosetheboss etc can offer ....
Livid, 19 Jun 2019S10 has HDR+. This is better than Sony and is becoming the industry standard now.There are many types of HDR ....
HDR10/10+ need a proper HDR screen to be watched.
HLG is different. You can still watch without many issues on a SDR screen. Also it is easier to be used by Youtube.
HLG has much wider gamut and data, cellphones cannot record it without the stacked DRAM sensor helping the cpu.
SNA1970, 19 Jun 2019Both are losers . IMO any Phone that is priced over $700 is not worth buying today with Chines... moreYou got that right ser. All we want is good phone that can take photo same as point and shoot cameras 10 - 15 years ago, for around 100$ - 300$ max, basic features and all, just new 4k 60k mod and thats it. (Looking at you K20pro/Mi9T pro).
Robak, 19 Jun 2019Very poor cameras - both of them. In 2019 best mobile camera is still Lumia 950 XL - after Lum... moreIt's sad indeed, back in the day people were working on making optically produce better photos and little to no processing. Now a days cameras look cartoonish and differences in color temperatures. My old Sony Ericsson K800 could catch fan spinning at 6000RPM standing still. Starting with the first Iphone and direction phones are going has gone to crap in terms of camera.
Further to the crowing masses seeking to hold up Saf's video as exhibit a: anyone who claims in a video "you know I'm always honest" is 100% not.
He shows 2 - just two - selected daylight main camera images with the poorest DR outside of a £10 disposable for the Xperia and makes it out that they are typical of his experience. It's ridiculously misleading. He has chosen to put these up and omitted to mention or show any images at all where the Xperia 1 uses it's auto Backlight Detection. He doesn't mention colour accuracy. He doesn't make any attempt to compare detail retention. He's clearly not showing images using the Night Scene mode or Low Light mode (the Sign in darkness sign is ridiculous - there's no way my Xperia 1 would produce that result).
Indeed, the main camera itself is an afterthought. He goes on at length about the selfie cam and the portrait modes and 4k Video (which we all know is unfinished on the Sony). Less than a quarter of the video is actually comparing the two main cameras,... Which he barely does. 2 daylight images? Really?
It is the most shockingly misleading comparison you could ever hope to produce.
When GSMA'S comparison and Saf's come to such wildly, wildly different conclusions then you have to smell a rat. Considering the detail that GSMA put into theirs and the clearly misleading choices Saf made with his, I know where smell is coming from.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgup4NPb0oY this video also shows same results as gsma and fd so clearly supersaf tried hes best to take worst possible photos with x1
Even blind can see, that Xperia main camera postprocessing is miles above Galaxy. But then again, if you prefer waterpaintings over photos, S10+ is your choice. Just compare the hilltop on third photo. Samsungs noise removal fetish has always been laughable.
Also, Xperia main camera captures noticeably more detail. Just look at towers on snail pics. You can see pattern on Xperia sample, but nothing on Galaxy sample. And imo, Xperia camera compared to some bigs does still need some polishing. Says a lot about Samsungs cameras. InnoV 8 was probably last really good Samsung phone.