The amount of hate and jealousy for the Asus ROG 2 phone made me realise that there's like a ton of obnoxious fanboys from Huawei and Xiaomi.
What a time we live in, I bet these are the very same people who probably announced they'd be caught dead ever buying a China brand phone.
Anonymous, 12 hours agoThe fact that you are defending them and rambling about physics to do so means you are being t... morehmmm... think outside of the box? help me with that and cite some techs that could possibly allow for smartphone cameras to compete with actual cameras. you said there are variables in this dilemma, but there are constants as well that serves to hurl back to the ground these lofty ideas of smartphones competing with dedicated cameras. i was smitten to the idea before as i have bought a galaxy k zoom back in 2014, but i simply found that's not gonna happen. the galaxy k zoom was already thick and had not just a hump but an extending camera lens, but still it was not able to even touch the quality of pictures on my old cybershot point-and-shoot nor my fuji mirrorless. are you proposing for smartphones to be even thicker than the k zoom? this would just be a useless endeavor- thick smartphones are not going to sell nor can they compete with dedicated cameras. smartphones are more for automating tasks and that can be handled and explored further with softwares. meanwhile, dedicated cameras like dslrs are more for manual manipulations on camera components that could never possibly fit on a smartphone. i am not a professional photographer, rather just a hobbyist. i enjoy having both professional cameras and high end smartphones. as with any other consumers out there, i want my smartphones to take good pictures but for it to remain as thin as can be. dedicated image processors and image ais will become a norm in the next few years in smartphones, and that's the hardware part that i am seeing the smartphone cameras can further explore; with that fact, this means the oems are not holding back anything from you and are just realizing that software (computational photography) will be the way to move forward. i am not defending those companies. i am merely stating facts.
s-pen pusher, 16 hours agoi did ask you to cite something that could hurdle these physical limitations. i actually am no... moreThe fact that you are defending them and rambling about physics to do so means you are being too narrow minded. And again huawei had 40mp 1.4um pixels with a large battery in a slim device. Just like other devives lacking battery or relevant features. Its not that they fant advance at all. Irs that they are sloppy with space, aim too thin, just being greedy, or all of the above.
Again. 12mp 1.4um or 48/64mp quard bayers are not the only options. Humps still exist. And not every device is anorexic.
Think outsode the box and stop blindly defending these companies who are holding back tech while still charging a premium.
[deleted post]i did ask you to cite something that could hurdle these physical limitations. i actually am not trying to sound superior; i am just trying to defend what i have earlier said that there is very little to move forward to on the hardware side of smartphone cameras. you continue to ramble without giving an argument or citing an example. okay- smartphones do not have to 6mm thin, but how thick can they go without giving up pocketability? "Not every sensor has to be 12mp 1.4um or 48/64 set up", yes, and i have cited in a previous reply that bigger and better lenses have been used before in devices such as the lumix cm1 and nokia 808 pureview, and now we have the upcoming 108 megapixel from samsung. then again how long can they sustain this? yes, i am mentioning physics again and again because you don't seem to recognize the constancy of things such as photon size, and you seem to imply that there is a pocketable technology out there now that can shrink photons. there can be variables indeed, but all i'm saying is that we almost have exhausted those variables.
Anonymous, 16 Sep 2019What i can propose is use logic instead of one track thinkingsmartphone oems are gunning for rivalling dslrs, and that's just bollocks. you are talking about logic but is there one for resolving that issue with focal length? none. the only way the oems can rival dslrs is to either increase the tickness of their phones to the same as dslrs, or go with software. all these new smartphone camera techs being outed today- pixel binning, persicopic tele lenses, and quad-bayers are all because of both hardware and software. other than these, i am just saying i don't think there are anything much more that can be done on the hardware side to move forward; or if there are it would be limited because of, again, the requirement for focal lenght. better camera hardware translates to bigger sensors, bigger lenses, more lens layers- all these require the focal length that i am talking about. simply, bigger and better image sensors on smartphones will require smartphones to be proportionally thicker. so, having said that, the future for smartphone photography is largely dependent on software and not hardware.
Anonymous, 16 Sep 2019What i can propose is use logic instead of one track thinkingyes, i am proposing logic here. photons cannot be shrunk, at least with available technologies today, so it is illogical to think that smartphone cameras can be better without increasing thickness; and by thickness i don't mean just measly 9mm.
s-pen pusher, 14 Sep 2019i am not a big gamer (mobile, pc, nor consoles), but eversince having the razer phone 1 then l... moreIt's the same thing on desktop too. Once you get see the smoothness of a faster panel, you won't go back to 60 Hz anymore, at least willingly. This is why my next phone has to have a panel with at least 90 Hz refresh rate, preferably higher if possible without costing too much.
Anonymous, 16 Sep 2019The thinness is one of the main aspects. God forbid a phone even be 9mm for camera and battery... morehi. we deal with light here that has a fixed photon size, and to fit bigger/better sensors and bigger lenses there is this one issue that hurdles thin, or even thicker smartphones- focal length. there is no way to go about it but have a rather thick housing for the camera module. there's the proposal by light company, of which principle was partly employed in the nokia 9 pureview, to have multiple lenses. however, their own product- the l16, is thicker than even point-and-shoot cameras from sony. phones before that were camera-centric including the galaxy s4 zoom, galaxy k zoom, nokia 808 pureview, and lumix cm1, were quite thick but still were not able to compete with point-and-shoots that have actually bigger lenses and sensors. unless you can propose a technology that allows for photon to be shrunk.
s-pen pusher, 16 Sep 2019can you please cite possible hardware solutions to the limitations set by physics to the ever-... moreThe thinness is one of the main aspects. God forbid a phone even be 9mm for camera and battery.
But there was a time when phones were a little thicker and they didnt opt for larger sensors available. And huawei fit larger sensors and batteries in slim phones.
Thinness is not the only issue though.
They just would rather push aggressive software on similar hardware rather then give better tech.
Anonymous, 14 Sep 2019And with people like you to accept that then they can continue to hold back hardwwre, over boo... morecan you please cite possible hardware solutions to the limitations set by physics to the ever-thinning smartphones?
Yetanotheronlineuser, 14 Sep 2019Ladies & Gents, I bought the 8GB/128GB verison, and I don't game on a phone. I just had... moreIf you got the Chinese Tencent version, then the less obvious difference is the lack of WiFi ad (short range / high bandwidth)... You also won't get the fan accessory, and the charger will be a regular one instead of the fast 25 watt
Anonymous, 14 Sep 2019And that some people would be you no wonder you don't complain. always suave.
s-pen pusher, 14 Sep 2019i don't think there is not that much more that can be done with regard to the hardware for sma... moreAnd with people like you to accept that then they can continue to hold back hardwwre, over boost software, and over charge us
The only thing that attaches me to this phone is the battery.
I dont know, whats the difference in playing games on this device, and for example samsung galaxy s10? FPS? refresh rate?
However I dont know if I buy this phone - it isn't waterproof right? Many times I had to make a phone call in bad weather - rainy day.
RhaegR, 11 Sep 2019Who else jumped straight to Battery Life section? Guilty. 😅I bought the phone because of the battery...
Ladies & Gents, I bought the 8GB/128GB verison, and I don't game on a phone.
I just had to have a modern phone with such a large battery.
I noticed there is an LTE difference between models, so is anyone aware if they have cut anything else out for the 8G/128GB model?
"We also tried other ambiguous setups, so you don't really have to, like hooking up to separate power sources to the two USB-C ports as well as two other smartphones. Also a combination of the two. We even threw in a PC conection, to see just how the whole Type-C host/client negotiation works while having to manage two ports at once. Long story short - nothing bad happened."
I take it this means the phone can't daisy chain another phone and receive a PD3.0 current from the bottom port while charging the other phone through the side at 5W like powering an accessory?
Anonymous, 14 Sep 2019We are nowhere near the peak of cameras. On fact we've been held back on them for quite some timei don't think there is not that much more that can be done with regard to the hardware for smartphone cameras that deals with physics (or lights for that matter). so, the only way to move further up with image quality is software. there still may be some innovations available to the hardware, but that would be pretty limited.