Great comparison! Thanks!
How good is Xiaomi, normally, at polishing its software during the life cycle of its products?
Is there a good chance that the photo processing algorithms will be better matched to the sensor and make the camera truly great?
Mike, 20 Jan 2020Win in what? Watercolor blending of highlights and mids? Digital noise in the sky? Undefined e... morePixel does have a tendency to make the scene a tad brighter than what you see with your eyes, but there's no way it turns night photos into daytime photos. I can say this because I have seen numerous low light photo comparisons where RX100 completely loses out by crushing shadows and blowing highlights completely, killing all the colours present in the scene, where Pixel (as well as iPhone and Mate) manages to retain them just fine. As for the digital noise in the sky, you can suppress it using the dual exposure control if it bothers you (and I would probably do that as well if I was a Pixel user).
Of course You need! Photos from Xiaomi are way better than Samsung, but to see it you need big monitor like 32" or more. On small laptop screen or 24" monitor you can't see the difference and you think samsung photos are good, but they are not even close to good. I'm writing as former Galaxy S9+ user. This camera is trash and all newer samsung too. We need more megapixels to see photos on big screens. Maybe S11+ will be change something.
Nick Tagataka, 17 Jan 2020Go take some night time landscape photos with RX100 and Pixel 4 - in auto, the latter will win... moreWin in what? Watercolor blending of highlights and mids? Digital noise in the sky? Undefined edges? Night shots are not about turning night into a day like it's been lit up by football stadium flood lights and that's exactly what Pixel does. It kills all the contrast of the night time shots by toning down the highlights form light sources and blending them in with jacked up mids like there is a huge man made light source somewhere in the scene.
Nobody "needs" a flagship phone lol
Having said that, I have owned the Note 10+ for almost three months now and Samsung seems to have really stepped up their software game. Camera performance was utterly terrible in low-medium light (think a garbled mess) when I first got the phone but with the recent 2 updates it have been improving pretty drastically. Night shots are now more than acceptable even without night mode (something I did not expect) and all photos now capture more detail than ever before. It's now one the the best phone cameras (after recent updates) I have ever used. Which is of course saying a lot since I was almost set on replacing it with an iPhone 11 Pro a month after owning it cause camera performance was so subpar.
Having a new sensor is great and all, but what I learned is, taking good photos is more reliant on skill than imaging hardware. What I have is more than enough.
Are there any reviews comparing the photo quality of pro to the non-pro? I wonder how big the difference is with the 8p lens.
Nick Tagataka, 17 Jan 2020Go take some night time landscape photos with RX100 and Pixel 4 - in auto, the latter will win... moreExactly! I just took a side by side picture of the city from my balcony with my FF 5DMK2 and MI9. SOOC, looking at their respective screens, the one on MI9 is waaay better.
No, I really don't need bigger pixel it's not directly correlate to the picture quality unless for poster purposes where cropping is the most important things to do with your pictures. 100 mpixel but with only 1/2.3" sensors what will make it different from the whole camera phones? Would be so much better to have a 12 mpixel picture taken from 1" camera sensors and faster aperture I suggested.
Yip Samsung Galaxy phones have really taken a step back in IQ since the S9, the photos from the new Samsung phones look very processed and artificial, pity, so as Sony has really improved over the last year with their image processing Samsung has gone backwards...
Mike, 16 Jan 2020Go buy Sony RX100 V or VI or VII and then compare it to whatever phone you like to see how not... moreGo take some night time landscape photos with RX100 and Pixel 4 - in auto, the latter will win most of the time for sure.
Anonymous, 15 Jan 2020 In Auto mode, images from high end point and shoot cameras & low end DSLR's aren't that ... moreGo buy Sony RX100 V or VI or VII and then compare it to whatever phone you like to see how not even close they are unless you view the image at 1280x800
ron2000xm, 14 Jan 2020If a phone can do all that, why not?
Years ago I owned DSLR and DC and I used DC (with long z... more
In Auto mode, images from high end point and shoot cameras & low end DSLR's aren't that better compared to images from high end smartphone with high grade computational photography.
Dslr images have advantage when shooting in RAW. This is where you can really extract the performance out of a DSLR. This is where you get huge gap in quality of images between Dslr and smartphone.
Anonymous, 09 Jan 2020phone cameras are for point, shoot, and upload. it should be judge based on that. if you wan... moreIf a phone can do all that, why not?
Years ago I owned DSLR and DC and I used DC (with long zoom) most of the time. I have left the DC to gather dust for a few years now turning to the phone for day to day photography. The biggest advantage of a phone in photography is that all photos are ready instantly to be published in the internet, which all DC or DSLR taken photos end up eventually. I still own DSLR but of course will not buy any new ones.
Phones processing powers are now superior to DC and even DSLR. What phones lack that DSLRs have are good lenses and large sensors. But the gaps are closing fast.
It is not far that phones can replace all but few professional cameras in photography.
NeonHD, 10 Jan 2020Nope. I thought it was already established in 2015 that megapickles don't matter! Stupi... moreIt was 2015. Now it's 2020. Miniaturization is over. We are now past the weakest era of smartphone development so it's time to go big on all things. Phones are thicker again (iPhone 11 Pro), sensors are getting bigger, pixels are getting bigger somehow, Multi-bayers are a thing, longer camera ranges (periscope telephoto cameras), bigger screens, bigger batteries, and more.
Do you really need 108MP in a phone? I said "why not?"
Nick Tagataka, 12 Jan 2020It seems like somebody forgot to tell you that current high res sensor craze has nothing in co... moreSource? From what I was aware of, smaller MP sensors had bigger pixel microns and vice versa. For example, Sony IMX300 can shoot up to 23MP but lack the big micron pixels from sensors like the IMX377 (6P, Pixel 1, etc). Even the IMX300 has bigger pixels than whatever this 108MP sensor has.
Sure, it may have the "biggest" sensor size on the market right now, but without bigger pixels to back it up, I don't see it beating the 12MP sensors found on the Note 10+ in terms of dynamic range and color reproduction.
Don't get me wrong though, I'm not saying the 108MP is bad, it's actually really good. But maybe perhaps let another company handle the good stuff, as Xiaomi clearly doesn't specialize in camera optics.
Rashiq, 13 Jan 2020we need bigger sensors with 50-60MP and BETTER LENS, seriously if only manufacturers weren't o... moreUm... I'm pretty sure it is us, the consumers, who are craving for flushed camera backs, not the manufacturers. The manufacturers are the ones that are introducing the giant protruding camera bulges on phones like the iP11 or the Pixel 4.
we need bigger sensors with 50-60MP and BETTER LENS, seriously if only manufacturers weren't obsessed with lenses being flush with the back we could have 10x better lenses on smartphones
Nir we need 108 mgpxl camera neither 16 GB ram in new Redmi
NeonHD, 10 Jan 2020Nope. I thought it was already established in 2015 that megapickles don't matter! Stupi... moreIt seems like somebody forgot to tell you that current high res sensor craze has nothing in common with MP war that took place in 2015. The sensor size was significantly increased from back then and so was the pixel pitch. Give Mi Note 10 a proper Gcam port, it would squash your Nexus 6P like it's absolutely nothing.