SpiritWolf, 05 Mar 2020There's also third possibility. You never had 808 but are stupid enough to show your ignorance. Of course I didn't use all the phones. It will be stupid to think so. I think I was using Nokia 6120c at that time. But there is internet, there is GSMARENA who has a lot of samples. You can check them too. Just make sure you check them on a good SRGB coverage big screen.
Anyway even being almost 16mm+ thick at the camera bump. The 808 is still worse than recent flagships.
NB: Also make sure you are not color blind.
Morsel, 26 Feb 2020I don't understand why some people still talk about those old phone ! Yes they were great at t... moreThere's also third possibility. You never had 808 but are stupid enough to show your ignorance.
Morsel, 26 Feb 2020I don't understand why some people still talk about those old phone ! Yes they were great at t... moreI have P30Pro and Lumia 950XL. Both great camera phones. In detail and colour department, 808 is better. Only thing it has worse is dynamic range due to lack of HDR.
Nick Tagataka, 03 Mar 2020It seems that you want to finish this conversation so you don't need to reply me if you don't ... moreLofl bro you're so worked up so hard to defend Samsung aren't ya? You're asking advantages of nona bayer to people round you so you can encourage other people to find it out for you, cause you can't think of any. I'll give you harsh truth right here, there's no advantage!!!
Samsung went for nona bayer instead of quad so that they can advertise the increased megapickle count then brag how super duper fantastic 108MP camera is compared to cameras on competing phones from Apple and Hauwei. A quad 48MP 1/1.33 inch sensor will perform better thana sensor of S20 Ultra cause there's less walls that block out light, sooo simple :)) Learn some physics dude!
Now you can stop your desparate attempt to justify Samsung's marketing decision and look at photos from gsmarena. You see overprocessing? Yep. Will it get better in future updates? Fat chance. Face the facts bro.
Anonymous, 03 Mar 2020S20 ultra and S20 click similar pictures.
S20 ultra wins in some scanarios while S20 wins in ... moreThere haven't really been a fully functional or stable GCam port for Mi Note 10 so it's hard for me to say that it "smokes" other phone cameras given the current situation around it. It has been months after the release and they still seem to suffer from incorrect colour rendering, minor detail loss, modes crashing, general app instability or the combination of several of them, and this makes it extremely difficult to judge its full potential. With that said, Mi Note 10 comes with underpowered SoC that is not fit for such a high resolution sensor, so I'll reserve my judgement until there will be developments going on with Mi 10 Pro's GCam ports.
Anyway there's a high chance that S20 Ultra could become the one of the best phone for GCam if the porting process goes well, but as I already said Oppo Find X2 may come with an equally large main sensor which would put it in the same league as S20U in raw image quality. There we will find out which of QB and Nonacell is truly better than the other.
regardless the price, which of the 2 has the best camera pls reply for my comment. planning to buy a 108MP phone camera
Nick Tagataka, 03 Mar 2020"If you talk about raw image. Nothing can beat the HM1"
Of course a larger sensor will produc... moreS20 ultra and S20 click similar pictures.
S20 ultra wins in some scanarios while S20 wins in others.
The real culprit here is the weak AF for flagship device. S20 gets the Dual Pixel AF which is giving sharper images in Auto mode without the corner softness of the big sensor.
But the colors are more accurate(9to1 pixel binning) with more detail on the HM1 sensor.
Noise levels are similar in most scenarios with S20 ultra having more noise in certain pics.
The nona Bayer sensor was not developed before on Smartphones. I am sure they'll improve the image processing algorithm with time.
But I guarantee you that in 6 months time, with all the software updates to camera, this device would be much better for photography compared to what it is now.
For everything else there is gcam.
We all know how the HMX sensor with gcam smokes all other flagship camera phones. HM1 won't be any different.
Morsel, 03 Mar 2020If you talk about raw image. Nothing can beat the HM1, even with the pre-release software.
I ... more"If you talk about raw image. Nothing can beat the HM1"
Of course a larger sensor will produce better RAW images compared to smaller ones given the resolution is the same.. however, I'm talking about the difference in RAW image quality between Nonacell and QB sensors that have the same size and binned resolution. Oppo X2 is rumoured to come with such a sensor, so let's see how long HM1 sensor will be able to maintain its position.
It would be interesting to see how S20 Ultra compares to the regular S20 with substantially smaller sensor if no post processing is applied as well, but I digress.
Anonymous, 03 Mar 2020Nona Bayer already giving advantage over Quad Bayer in sharper details, better color accuracy,... moreSo you already have a device with QB 1/1.33" 48MP sensor to compare with S20 Ultra? Well, obviously you don't, because it doesn't exist yet. All the advantages you just listed are mostly due to its larger sensor size compared to the conventional QB sensors that are on the market right now, not necessarily because it bins 9 pixels instead of 4.
Nick Tagataka, 03 Mar 2020It seems that you want to finish this conversation so you don't need to reply me if you don't ... moreIf you talk about raw image. Nothing can beat the HM1, even with the pre-release software.
I wasn't running from the debate. Sometime waiting is better to let time prove something rather than wasting time debating something.
Nick Tagataka, 03 Mar 2020It seems that you want to finish this conversation so you don't need to reply me if you don't ... moreNona Bayer already giving advantage over Quad Bayer in sharper details, better color accuracy, dynamic range in low light.
The camera simply would get better with time.
Morsel, 02 Mar 2020I have nothing to say further. Because after both opinion only Samsung can prove one of us wro... moreIt seems that you want to finish this conversation so you don't need to reply me if you don't want to, but let me say this: For either of us to be *proven* wrong as you said, we need a phone with QB 1/1.33" sensor (possibly upcoming Oppo X2) for a comparison and have to shoot in RAW to see if there are any advantages/disadvantages with Nonacell structure that we both suggested. Samsung can't really prove anything by just providing their own devices software updates to tune the post processing algorithms, and that's why I kept saying this is a matter of hardware and not software - in the end RAW is the only solution.
Anyway I don't have anything else to say on this matter as well, now I'll wait and see how S20 Ultra performs against Mi 10 Pro and P40 Premium in auto mode after having received a bunch of software updates.
The s20 ultra doesn't appear ro be better than the other phones in yhat range. Not sure how true to colour at night shots it compares
Nick Tagataka, 02 Mar 2020"6*6 produces better color and has less issue for color noise" Not quite. Fuji claims that th... moreI have nothing to say further. Because after both opinion only Samsung can prove one of us wrong, this year with S series or Note series.
Morsel, 01 Mar 2020Sorry to bother you. I actually didn't ask for this long reply. Thanks for the long reply.
I ... more"6*6 produces better color and has less issue for color noise"
Not quite. Fuji claims that their X-Trans produces less moire than the regular Bayer because its filter arrangement is more irregular, and that one has not been developed with pixel binning option in mind. Nonacell is entirely different - it's technically 6*6, but since in binning mode it is read out as a regular 2*2 sensor by adding up the values of 9 pixels of the same colours before demosaicing takes place, it doesn't hold any advantage over the regular Bayer or even Tetracell in terms of colour/luminance resolution nor light sensitivity. In fact, in full resolution mode Nonacell produces far more colour noise and artifacts than any other popular CFAs because much more aggressive interpolation (or "pixel-swapping") will be required. So I really appreciate your suggestion, but I don't think this is the case here.
Lol it's funny when sometimes ppl say they can fix it through software update
Put a wrong wheel in a Tesla car and tell them to fix it through software update
My point is that sometimes you can't fix a bad hardware through software update
Nick Tagataka, 29 Feb 2020The way you asked me the question made me thought you don't have a clue and genuinely asked me... moreSorry to bother you. I actually didn't ask for this long reply. Thanks for the long reply.
I was asking the CFA just to say 1 thing.
6*6 CFA is better than 4*4 CFA.
6*6 produces better color and has less issue for color noise(mixing pixel color) than 4*4.
Fuji has had a 6*6 CFA sensor already, It's called X-Trans . You can search it and see how it's better than QB.
Now how Samsung's HM1 will perform that's totally a different thing. Because it will depend on their software optimization. This is why big brand doing late move to Bayer(quad) sensor as they already have spent a lot resources on regular bayer sensor.
This is why big companies are unwilling to move to quad bayer or more, not because quad bayer is worse.