Anonymous, 11 Jul 2020SD865 version of S20.
It scores less than Chinese flagships.
Exynos 990 is just bad. Well, you're right Exynos doesn't even belong in the league.
As for S20's 865 version, I can attribute this to battery saving attempts by Samsung, given that they're already having a tough time with 120Hz displays and battery life... and they don't even have a big battery.
Either that or its a poor cooling system/management resulting in throttling.
Bloatware I don't think can be a cause.
Anonymous, 11 Jul 2020Antutu doesn't just measure cpu performance.
It also measures ram, ui , AI, read write s... more"Even the Redmi k30 pro gives score of 592k consistently after repeated benchmarks compared to Xiaomi's own mi 10 Pro which has dedicated cooling yet throttles badly.
Those phones are simply better optimized."
From this statement of yours, it is obvios to anyone rhat k30 pro just has a higher throttle limit. Or xiaomi was stupid enough to put worse software in their flagship compared to their budget flagship. The first one seems more likely.
I have been using redmis and oneplus lately, none of the big brands.
Well, mediatek was indeed found cheating with their helio series chipsets, but none of that happened with dimensity. I like dimesnity 1000+, its provides close to 865 perf at much lesser costs.
Samath N8 808 owner, 11 Jul 2020Which S20 version do you refer to? (Asking as a genuine question)
To the best I know, Samsu... moreSD865 version of S20.
It scores less than Chinese flagships.
Exynos 990 is just bad.
Mediatek sux, 11 Jul 2020The only "optimization" going on in the k30 pro is a higher throttle limit.Antutu doesn't just measure cpu performance.
It also measures ram, ui , AI, read write speeds,GPU etc.
LG, Xperia and other phones come with 8gb RAM only and therefore score lower.
Chinese phones easily giving 12-16gb RAM. Hence the higher score.
You are just salty that your big brand device loses in Antutu and real life.
BTW Mediatek hater, what do you have to say about Dimensity?
They must be cheating on performance as well according to your logic.
AnonD-754814, 10 Jul 2020What you're saying in details is actually supporting my claim.
Yet you're saying I... moreYou didn't account for the ear/head design. 50 ohms is when its a set of in-ear earplugs, not an open air headphone (a reasonable one, not even accounting one with a weaker bass output that you'll be left struggling with).
As for high end earphones, you're right that it matters in volume terms, but volume output itself is not quality.
How many high quality open air headphones do you get which have 10ohms? Doesn't this mean your headphone market is killed even by consumer standards once you get a weaker DAC in a phone?
High end headphones by Sony will exist in market, but not for you. Simple.
As for $300 phone with $600 headphones, exactly why not? Who made this "rule"?
Why not get a $200 LG V30+/ $350 V40 Thinq/ G7 thinq and try a big ohm open air headphone for yourself and tell me if they don't sound good?
Didn't you ever try a $1000 lens on a $300 body in DSLR's?
I think you're right in most things, but you're trying less phones.... Try some of them in person, compare them, then do get back to me.
GSMArena states that they all are excellent, which is clearly wrong in my experience.
Anonymous, 10 Jul 2020Even the Redmi k30 pro gives score of 592k consistently after repeated benchmarks compared to ... moreWhich S20 version do you refer to? (Asking as a genuine question)
To the best I know, Samsung Exynos 9820 and 990 are both huge failures, not even able to keep up with last year Snapdragon 855 in real life performance, and more around SD 845...
No idea about Snapdragon versions of Samsung flagships though.
AnonD-754814, 10 Jul 2020Repeated benchmark is completely different thing. It proves sustained performance. Not peak pe... moreEven the Redmi k30 pro gives score of 592k consistently after repeated benchmarks compared to Xiaomi's own mi 10 Pro which has dedicated cooling yet throttles badly.
Those phones are simply better optimized.
The upcoming ROG 3 gives score of 642k coz of overclocked chip and 16gb RAM.
You do realize that Antutu isn't just about cpu benchmarks, it judges overall performance including read write speeds, RAM, GPU, AI, etc.
Most of these Chinese flasghips have ufs 3.1, more RAM, which does add to the overall SCORE.
And both OnePlus and Oppo flagships are leaving the S20 behind in real world speed tests.
You are just salty that your fav brand Samsung is lagging behind not so BIG CHINESE companies.
Samath N8 808 owner, 10 Jul 2020No, its wrong. In my knowledge, even GSMArena never said this. I'll explain. USB-C mig... moreFirst of all increasing resistance != better sound,that's not how it works.Most phones can easily run headphones up to 50 ohms up to safe levels,anymore than that,you're just ruining your ears.If you're buying a headphone above 200 usd (>/= 450 ohms), you should buy an amp or a dac/amp .The HD 6xx runs fine with a modern phone but it really shines with a discrete amp setup.If you're that into audio,you shouldn't be running your headphone with a mobile that's half the price
Samath N8 808 owner, 10 Jul 2020No, its wrong. In my knowledge, even GSMArena never said this.
I'll explain. USB-C mig... moreWhat you're saying in details is actually supporting my claim.
Yet you're saying I was wrong.
All current midrange phone can handle good amount of impedance(upto 50) easily.
So if you wanna buy a headphone with 50+ ohm(+ similar good specs) then that headphone is going to cost 500$+. That's in high quality segment. Like I said the difference is noticeable for high quality headphones.
You really don't think an user to buy his/her phone for 300$ and buy the headphone for 600$.
Do you ?
AnonD-754814, 08 Jul 2020I'm not an expert on this. But I have slight idea, don't know if it's right or ... moreNo, its wrong. In my knowledge, even GSMArena never said this.
I'll explain. USB-C might give out a pure digital signal which may itself be high quality, but from a 3.5mm jack, you get an output dependant on the quality of DAC inside the phone... and this reflects in any head/earphone.
This signal by itself may give good, high quality output, if the output is amplified, which means there's no resistance in the circuit. But non amplified headphones/ earphones do have resistance.
High Impedance headphones increase quality by increasing resistance, but they also lower the volume on a particular voltage... Which means, if your phone can't handle a regulation earphone at full volume, how is it expected to handle 32 or 61ohm headphones? This is also a big problem in today's phones. Low voltage and low volume.
How about testing at your home/ shop demo sets...? You'll yourself hear the difference. And you can use your basic earphone. I'll give you some comparisons.
As the better phone, you can choose LG G7, G8, V40, V30, iPhone 11/ Pro with its original adaptor, etc...
As the worse phone, you can choose most of these oneplus, mi, etc phones. Choose Redmi Note 5/6/7/ Pro if available.
Use a track you listen to a lot.
Let me know what you find out... Then we can both post the truth together. ;)
Blackkk Mamba , 09 Jul 2020When did Asus cheat on benchmarks? Any proof? Links?
My S10 throttles badly compared to ROG 2... moreRepeated benchmark is completely different thing. It proves sustained performance. Not peak performance. Asus ROg 2 is a gaming focused phone. Of course it will do better in repeated benchmark. Also note that Asus has the plus version SoC. So, it will be slightly better anyway.
But what my point is,
The benchmark score shows that ASUS ROG 2 is ahead by almost 1 generation score.
That's not what we see in real life performance. Asus Rog 2 does better but not by 1 generation.
This proves some benchmark cheating is going on.
Oppo and oneplus are doing it more aggressively. Their latest flagship scores are around 600k and Samsung s20s are around 550k. Yet when it comes to real life speed test or Speed test G(by androidAuthority) they fall behind Samsung,
Because instead of making the SoC more optimized they cheat to get high score.
I admit that ASUS doesn't do huge cheating like them but it still does.
AnonD-754814, 08 Jul 2020Whatever your problem is truth is truth.
If you have both s10 and Rog 2 then... moreWhen did Asus cheat on benchmarks? Any proof? Links?
My S10 throttles badly compared to ROG 2 in heavy duty tasks like gaming and repeated Antutu benchmarks where performance dwindles down.
AnonD-754814, 08 Jul 2020I'm not an expert on this. But I have slight idea, don't know if it's right or ... morePlenty of Youtubers have said that they can differentiate between sound from high quality DAC vs regular DAC using regular headphones.
Wait what , 08 Jul 2020LCD is lame and it sucks. It should be banned in 2020. I think you're forgetting the adva... moreWhat advancement? They still burn in, still have uneven tints, still have black crush. Maybe the advancements reduced the chances for problems like 5%. Big deal.
Samath N8 808 owner, 08 Jul 2020One more thing..
LG's Quad DAC has been known to actually provide audiophile grade quali... moreI'm not an expert on this. But I have slight idea, don't know if it's right or not.
The high quality DAC you're talking about in almost every post can't be differentiate by regular to high quality headphones or regular sound-system.
It's only possible to differentiate if you have and ultra quality headphone or high quality sound-system.
Blackk Mamba , 05 Jul 2020Just because Samsung isn't leading charts that means others must be cheating right?
BTW ... moreWhatever your problem is truth is truth.
If you have both s10 and Rog 2 then compare it side by side. There will be a slight lead by ROG but it doesn't justify the score difference of two mobile by 1 generation in the benchmark apps.