Anonymous, 20 Jun 2009Look (and compare) at the area with the unreadable yellow sign in pic 1. N86's photo is clearl... moreYou mean "BILLA"? it is much more clear in Innov8.
The blur outside the flower is the way macro do.
Look (and compare) at the area with the unreadable yellow sign in pic 1. N86's photo is clearly more sharp and detailed than Innov8. While Innov8 makes the center of the picture beautiful (no doubts about that), it can't manage to focus on the whole image.
The same thing can be said about the flower pic (nr. 4); Innov8 made a more detailed picture in the center with better (false?) colors, but the rest of the picture was completly blurry.
Overall N86 is better, but we'll see the real winner at the full review. Hopefully we'll see another camera shootout soon...
Mobile Review is came out with full review and their sample photos also same, bad quality. (It is not extremely bad but not the best either)
Not only me said it is bad and behind C905. The true it is ready behind C905 quality.
Go check back the whole comment here, how many people said it is extremely stunning the photo quality? Not much.
I personally think that this phone is ugly. All Nseries phones are ugly compared to any samsung or LG flagships. But I hope that it will at least have a significantly better camera than innovate. Cant wait for a detailed comparison against innovate in terms of picture quality. Forget about sony ericsson c905.
Anonymous, 19 Jun 2009Just a simple question. Can you use your touchscreen phone with one hand only? I mean, while y... moreOff course can. What the issue cannot handle one hand with touch screen? I always do that, they is not a matter using touch screen phone with one hand because I touch it using finger, no stylus is needed, some more stylus is not working at my ultra touch or ipod touch. This is the two touch devices I always handle it with one hand.
I believe plenty of touch user can do that as well, unless the device is a must by using stylus. Even my ex-touch phone, LG Viewty also can handle it using one hand.
Anonymous, 19 Jun 2009Just a simple question. Can you use your touchscreen phone with one hand only? I mean, while y... morei agree with u there... u cant use touchscreens with one hand... its annoying.. congrats to nokia for making a good PHONE
Andrew Tan, 19 Jun 2009Research? HA! HA! I am the owner of Pixon and Ultra Touch and Ultra Touch take decent great... moreJust a simple question. Can you use your touchscreen phone with one hand only? I mean, while you're carrying a bag or an umbrella in the other hand. N86 you can. So it's only one out of two actally MOBILE 8 MP phones.
Anonymous, 19 Jun 2009"Nokia have been quite late coming up with their own player in the megapixel race and they are... moreloool GSMArena said well and there is no wrong about it ...and about iphone 3GS well mac never entered MP race to start with it :S they didn't have 5MP to put 8MP in there hand set -_-"
then main companies that are racing on MP are only 4
and Nokia still way behind in 8MP...Wide Angle is good but quality isn't that much to compete with other hand sets samsung on the lead following up by SE and LG in 8MP
and SE already entered 12MP and same to samsung
while Nokia still haven't reach that level yet..
"Nokia have been quite late coming up with their own player in the megapixel race and they are still falling behind in pure numbers" GSMarena what do u have to say about iphone3GS 3MP? u re biased!!!!
"AMOLED technology is still exciting enough with all its benefits, but the QVGA resolution cap of the Symbian S60 3rd edition is starting to seem outdated."
I don't think S60 has a resolution cap of QVGA as the E90 ran WVGA resolution quite happily.
Beside here, more comparison has been done by Mobile Review as well. The sample photos take also show it can't win Innov8 at all beside off course it took more object due to it better wider angle.
But Innov8 still win and getting better quality.
Mobile review even do a comparison between N86 vs N85. The result is N85 can product much more better than N86. This ready surprising me! The sample show me N86 can't even beat the quality of N85.
Last comparison done by mobile review is N86 vs LG Viewty II. I must admin the quality of LG Viewty II is ready bad and is the worst among all. (But the LG Viewty II is not official out yet)
N86 is official launch at Singapore and some others country.
N86 review by Mobile Review:
Anonymous, 19 Jun 2009I didn't say Pixon is bad, but there's no way that Ultra Touch is better than N86. Please show... morePixon is better than N86 and Ultra Touch is better than Pixon (Pixon having some blur issue as well during scenery shot) and I do mention it is nearest the quality of Innov8. This already show it is better than N86 (at the moment)
From the sample here, as I said before, N86 is damn bad, the scenery shot is not sharp but blur, it even worst than the most worst 8megapixel phone - C905.
What wrong if photo taken is beauty than actual? Photos always cheat. and all SLR is getting even nicest than reality.
Andrew Tan, 19 Jun 2009Research? HA! HA! I am the owner of Pixon and Ultra Touch and Ultra Touch take decent great... moreI didn't say Pixon is bad, but there's no way that Ultra Touch is better than N86. Please show a N86 vs Ultra Touch comparison, not some single shots only made by one of them, because then we'll never know how it looks in the reality, as Samsung phones tend to make the reality more beautiful than it really is.
Andrew Tan, 19 Jun 2009I don't know why you keep saying those car is much more clear. It is not clear than Innov8. Be... morekeep in mind review is not done yet.u hv seen lots of innov8 photos not of N86..i m targeting flower which was focused well bt ur comment was abt N86 forgot abt flower n just focus on floor,in macro mood i found N86 is better compared overall,this is my personal thought.by 1 pic u cant asses N86,wait for full review,which is coming soon.
Anonymous, 19 Jun 2009hahaha funny....dont wanna repeat same things again n again....dont u hv ne sense abt wide ang... moreI don't know why you keep saying those car is much more clear. It is not clear than Innov8. Beside the wording (I mention it because it is the most noticeable) The building and tree details also lessor than it.
More wide so the macro cannot get what it suppose need? if the macro that damn good, why GSMarena can't shoot more near than Innov8. What for getting more on those floor? You are targeting the flower or the floor? or somewhat you mention the leaf of the flower?
If the D90 take such macro, then I won't need any SLR. Between, D90 get more decent macro which only focusing on the flower.
Overall the color of Innov8 is better, but the flower may correct may not. I am not the person that shot the photo as I can't said the flower is what color. Go check more photos people took using Innov8. The white balance of recent Samsung lens is kinda accurate.
I do agree Samsung lens give more vivid color which some people may don't like. But their vivid still under control which give life to the photo and not over saturate.
This N86 quality can't even past the N82 lens. N82 lens is brilliant and is still among the best camera phone ever done by Nokia.
Andrew Tan, 19 Jun 2009Why Camera Quality of Samsung Innov8 is better than Nokia N86: (Base on this preview sample)
... morehahaha funny....dont wanna repeat same things again n again....dont u hv ne sense abt wide angle lens??it has larger frame,its handle overall detail,u r talking abt wordss??look at other things like parking cars on last right side,walking person,who has produce best figure??n wht abt innov8 colour,is it real??isnt it over coloured??isnt it only for charming ur eyes??in macro dont forget that N86 hv wider lens,as usualy it can sustain lots of detail,macro dosnt means that background shouldnt be identified.okey tell me dos innov8 got all leaf clearly??look at upper leaf,its not been focused.N86 got slightly more detail abt floor bt not Excessive.1 of the best digital SLR camera nikon D90,look at this macro,is the rock was not slightly focused at least for identification.in macro mood N86 already beaten innov8 if u hv sense of comparison.
A Gud Capable Phone......But Don't know what more ppl want 4m a fone.......For Me N82 ws enough but keypad and battery life cud hve been better and luk wat new firmware hs brought 2 it........so wat wud 12 mp satio though i like it just bcoz of symbian wich is my fav.......a simple n mass market approach of nokia is f9 though i do admit dat nokia took experimenting way too much vid sme of their fones like n78.....dey calld those slabs as keypad but nw i hve seen e71 e63 n79 dey r back on track wid a bang FP2 hs virtually made sure dat symbian is the best os for fones though apple n google aftr getting a bit more mature wud provide sme nice competition.....nw nokia hs gone back 2 where it ws good ergonomics, better n stable software, gr88 battery, display quality , durability, n to top it off a new firmware always adds more to d fone and also fixes a few nuts to perfect it........rest opinions r gud too but thnks 2 other makers d sleeping giant has gotten up in a big way........but plzz nokia no xtreme experimenting n sleeping aftr a revolution(N95)!!
Anonymous, 19 Jun 2009Ultra Touch and Renoir are far worse than this. Do another research, please...Or you may directly check my blog which I post a lot of photos taken with Ultra Touch.
Just type "elementsofwatashi" at google and the 1st appear is my blog (I can't post link as GSMArena not allow")
Or goto Mobile Review Forum (English version)... under Digital Cameras..then thread of "Post photos taken by your mobiles here!" and check for thread by me "Andrewtst"
I always do research before I comment anythings. Thanks
*Add on: Renoir also take decent photos just their white balance and color sometimes is not so accurate but it still take more better details, sharpness compared with N86. N86 is somehow to blur, last time my rate for worst 8Megapixel phone is C905 and it seems that N85 is even worst.