Thanks for this great disscussion. I very glad to read this debate.
So, what i can say...
Yes, android has much software, also it mostly free, in nokia store all good software is costs money.
I used android tablets, i can't say that it not good. Many free software, games, etc. But it working with lag with some 3d games.
But stability far and far from ideal.
And android uses java. Java never been responsable for fast using.
When i buying my present phone at autumn 2011 i'd choose 3 platforms: andriod, ios and symbian.
Android i rejected due to laggy UI, java and weak battery and very very stupid course to add cores instead optimizing software.
Ios due to itunes and stupid apple inability to modify phone. Also my ipod touch 3g burned after 8 mounts of use, apple recognized it as non-warranty . I use linux, i don't want to change my system to install itunes which also lags in windows.
So, i choose symbian phone - N8 with Anna. And i'm still happy. Now i'm updated it to Belle.
The main thing which i see in Belle FP1 is that Nokia turns UI to Qt, this is amaizing. Now it will works faster and much responsible, no more double touch - this mainly removed in Belle.
So, i'll wait for FP2 with most of Qt interface.
Also, someone in this tread said about apps which written in C/С++ for a certain screen resolution, Qt-QML apps is rubber like, just change config ;)
I also think that with N9 nokia just test Qt. And on N900 linux with GTK.
This is only my thoughts, but hope it correct.
Andrew Tan, 24 Jun 2012If you think S3 is small update from S2, then it is wrong, paper can't tell much. You need to ... moreyoure like a broken record
symbian is a bad os for you? ok, why? you gave no solid arguments. its well optimized, has a whole load of functionality out of the box and there are sufficient apps for 99% of people.
i can agree s60v5 was not so good, but with anna/belle its improved a lot. you dont seem to know anything about symbian from anna. the only reason for downfall of symbian was the ignorence of american media who didnt wanted to see the improvement of symbian over the last couple of years. and sadly, people like you believe them and go on an ignorant rampage about an os you know about only from those same media.
either explain why symbian belle is bad or get lost
Sausage, 24 Jun 2012You sure like writing :)
Have you ever used Belle phone? It's really nothing like Symbian h... moreactually, both phones have no problem...both can do basic features. but one is better than the other for some extent...not a big difference...for me, loading times & speed, doesn't matter as long as it will perform its task.......
however, nokia 808PV outperforms them in imaging department...& that what this thread is all about...
Anonymous, 24 Jun 2012its not brand that we are after..its the technology.... so what's the point of buying SGS3, if... moreIf you think S3 is small update from S2, then it is wrong, paper can't tell much. You need to experience yourself.
As for 808PV, it is unique and innovation, I never said not.. just it fall in wrong OS and wrong screen resolution.
Sausage, 24 Jun 2012You sure like writing :) Have you ever used Belle phone? It's really nothing like Symbian h... moreI try belle before in N8, I purposely update for my colleague to belle in N8, but still disappointing.
Andrew Tan, 24 Jun 2012Your point just give a great point - Symbian is outdate, who want troublesome on programming.
... moreYou sure like writing :)
Have you ever used Belle phone? It's really nothing like Symbian has recently been, it actually is good. And it really performs well with single core. SGS3 sure is faster but it is also 3 times more expensive than most Belle devices. Browsing has been Achilles heel of Symbian but it's also catching up in that section.
And as you said you won't be using your current phone in 2016, so won't many Belle user. That means it's not dead OS yet since it will get support that long(at least). There is coming Carla and Donna, maybe also Eve or Emily or something like that to Symbian line.
Belle also looks good to me at least and it has some advantages also that so many here has listed so I won't list them now. And is disadvantages are getting fewer.
Symbians problem is now that it's thought to be crap because it was crap before and Mr Elop says it is crap
Andrew Tan, 24 Jun 2012:) I just write out true, I won't simply shoot for nothing and blindly follow something for no... moreits not brand that we are after..its the technology.... so what's the point of buying SGS3, if you have SGS2 anyway...no such big difference....because all they can do is to put extra cores & increase the DPI...& make it thinner.. actually there are many phones or brands to choose from..& they offer the same thing.
But not Nokia PV..if you read the review carefully, nokia PV is very commendable...very unique...is there any other phone you could suggest as an alternative...?
Andrew Tan, 24 Jun 2012I am a Nokia supporter during Nokia 7610 time. You shall able to guess my age now. I am 30+ no... moreHmmm, this is a comments of an adult! Your are right about Nokia's fault, your are right about your choice! But do not spread bad comments about Symbian just to support your choice and bash Symbian, please!
this is ont of the best reviews i've ever read for one of the best phones ive ever seen, i am a former n8 user and i fell in love with that phone and nokia and i see this 808 and can't help but want it, as i love symbian i love the fact that it can do everything android can do on a measly single core cpu and go on with that, again the only problem is the limited support and no future of the platform other than that whoever knock symbian is an idiot, while iright now am an android user myself, if there were about 4 applications that i need on symbian i would sell my razr in a heartbeat and go buy this beast.
Anonymous, 24 Jun 2012nope im not a racist..sorry to hurt you...but you get me wrong..im asian too..i want to know w... more:) I just write out true, I won't simply shoot for nothing and blindly follow something for nothing.
Be a smart consumer is not blindly following a brand.
Andrew Tan, 24 Jun 2012You racist? Why you ask me from where? I know my English is not good. I from Malaysia.nope im not a racist..sorry to hurt you...but you get me wrong..im asian too..i want to know where you from because "tan" is mainly from china...& im proud that you are asian...because you give good comments...also, your english is very good...that's why i said earlier that you are a good writer...cheers..
Alin, 24 Jun 2012How old are you????!!! Those disadvantages are not because of Symbian itself!!! Symbian start... moreI am a Nokia supporter during Nokia 7610 time. You shall able to guess my age now. I am 30+ not an 16/17 kids that might appear in your mind now.
But then Symbian is badly did in touchscreen, Nokia laziness make it get abandon, this is Nokia fault.
As a consumer, off course we pick better thing.
I won't blindly support single brand because this is stupid.
Now I support Samsung as it out awesome device but not means I forever support it.
@Andrew Tan,I won't dispute that the SG3 is a great device at the moment...powerwise its awesome(being loaded with some crazy hardware),the design is ok(nice and slim,the plastic for such a phone doesn't do it justice though), UI is fluid and fast plus you get alot of Samsung additives(direct dialing,smart stay,the picture in picture thing,and the list goes on).Samsung went all out on this phone and they came out with a powerhouse. But,as someone said most of the new features of the SG3 are softwarewise and can easily be duplicated on to other devices.What Android and IOS has over Belle are apps,can't dispute that. Currently the singlecore belle is running up to about 80-85% of quadcore androids.I can tell you this symbian is finally stable(did take a while though). True Android does have more apps but for non-app junkies that's not a decider(and even for app junkies there are decent amount of apps for Belle).808PureView is bulky because of its cam sensor,you try putting a sensor like that in the SG3.Quite frankly both phones shine in different aspeacts..SG3 Powerhouse(all in one) but easily duplicated esp with other Android devices out there(HTC n Motorola) and the Iphone yet to be released... Nokia 808PureView true innovation(no one can deny that) this is a phone for persons who like to capture those special moments plus you get smartphone onboard.UI(Belle) is as stable as any one the top 2, fast, fluid and simple.the only thing killing this UI is Nokia.
Andrew Tan, 24 Jun 2012If Symbian / Belle is that great, why majority abandon it? Because it was not.. Also why it... moreHow old are you????!!! Those disadvantages are not because of Symbian itself!!! Symbian started to lost market share because Nokia was lazy to updrage the UI of symbian!!! Now it is on par with Android! But Symbian realy fel off when stupid CEO issued that burning memo, it is obvious now that the burning platform was Windows Phone, not Symbian!
Alin, 24 Jun 2012i realy think you are not so smart person! if an os is optimized to run on low specs it does n... morenot smart person is you.
Symbian is dead not because it can run in high or low spec.
Because it is not user friendly enough, and not well optimize for touch. The belle is something better but still not good enough.
That is the main point why Symbian get abandon.
Anonymous, 24 Jun 2012thanks for the comments man..you really fired up the conversation..it gets really interesting.... moreYou racist? Why you ask me from where? I know my English is not good.
I from Malaysia.
Andrew Tan, 24 Jun 2012If you think it can run at lower spec means it is great. Then stop using any windows, go ba... morei realy think you are not so smart person! if an os is optimized to run on low specs it does not mean it can not run on better specs, actualy symbian will destroy any android in any test if it would have the same specs!!! the point is the symbian can do better with low specs!
Anonymous, 24 Jun 2012sgs3 indeed..
but what about sony xperia s which has 300 plus more ppi.?..can't it be compare... moreI never said S3 is the only best phone.
HTC One X is great phone also. Sony wise sorry, it is not bad, but not the best in Android market. It price always can let you pick something better. Sony always step behind on it hardware spec compare with others Android manufacture.
Even last year iPhone4S also better than this 808PV. 808PV only GREAT in one thing - the CAMERA.
Andrew Tan, 24 Jun 2012Your point just give a great point - Symbian is outdate, who want troublesome on programming. ... morethanks for the comments man..you really fired up the conversation..it gets really interesting..and im not sarcastic...im giving compliments to you...you are a user of SGS3 and I respect you for that...no one could convince you that this nokia phone is good enough...& i think you won since you have the SGS3 in your hands at the moment...cheers...btw, are you from china or philippines?....
If Symbian / Belle is that great, why majority abandon it? Because it was not..
Also why it still list as CONS by GSMARENA.
- Symbian ecosystem lags behind Android and iOS
- nHD resolution wears thin on the 4" screen
- The phone is quite bulky and heavy
- Relatively limited 3rd party software availability