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Samsung Note 10+ and Samsung Fold 2 both running security updates dating November 1.
Tomorrow, both phones are effectively on ‘quarterly updates’.
Given they should both be ‘present lifecycle parts’, and on ‘monthly updates’ (quarterly updates is what Samsung gives to phones that are generally three years old+ that it is trying to deprecate from the market) I feel quite let down as a consumer, who in ‘good faith’ expects the MINIMAL PROMISES to be honoured.
(I understand that bastardising the bluetooth stack to not support ‘better codecs’ than Samsung CODEC is anticonsumer by choice, and that ‘typically’, not giving frequent security updates (to out of present cycle phones) is ‘anticonsumer’ also by decision..
But when the actions are so obvious and so consistent, as a person who gives purchasing advice professionally, I find no reason to encourage users to buy Samsung products (irrelevant to the ‘value’ or technology given).
Anticonsumer moves for ‘short term’ sales success isn’t the ‘profit path’ that the ‘big dogs’ should be following.
I actively move away from companies that force me to ‘vote with my wallet’; it is ‘the least I can do’.
Based on having the last seven of my Samsung flagships deprecated in feature and performance (massively) simply through forced updates (and often going large time periods without updates as that ALSO forces users along…) the tactics are simply TOO MUCH.
Quarterly updates on $5k (australian) phone investment in the present ‘monthly’ advertised update cycle.
Lies…. (damned lies…)
Caveat Emptor (let the buyer beware)
Drinkwater , 04 Jan 2022We live in America first of all stop talking about phones that won't are not compatible o... moreThe fact that a phone isn't locked to AT&T or Verizon doesn't mean it won't work on those networks. Also this is the internet, not America. We don't all live in the states.
Drink some water and grow a brain.
RealUser, 18 Jun 2021That outside screen displays more content and information than the smaller Z Fold 2 or even Z ... moreWe live in America first of all stop talking about phones that won't are not compatible out the box for services like Verizon, AT&T etc.....the mi fold is not sold in America so all of these reviews are pointless I mean I know it's the internet but stop bringing up phones that America has no access too it's kinda stupid and pointless
I purchased this z 2fold with the hope to serve it as my primary but I am completely let down.
1. Useless battery life
2. A namesake camera
Thanks for wasting my money. Realme 7pro is 100times better than this phone.
I have had the Fold2 since it's release last year and I love it. Had no issues. Battery life is good, can stream football (soccer games) in full and only use like 10-15% of battery life.
The only issue I have is when unfolded the screen protector got slightly scratched so it sticks out, so plan to use the screen replacement service to get it done (as it is just over £100 or so in the first year). I will upgrade to Fold4 next year.
I have been putting posts on the Fold3 thread, believing that is where present users considering these phones will generally gravitate.
I cannot confirm how others’ use their phones, but regarding battery times, just the amount of white on the screen can make a HUGE difference. (with OLEDs I always choose DARK themes and black(er) backgrounds ;-)
120hz makes a massive difference, especially if tablet operation is rotated and used in landscape mode. (due to the way screens refresh)
as a high refresh rate screen user (240hz in the 1990s), when I had a Nokia phone with 75hz it was a game changer. still love interacting with that screen.
I dont care if the front (/outer) screen on the Fold is normal refresh rates, but the large ‘consumption’ screen is excellent, and I wouldn’t dare take it off ‘adaptive’ refresh rate mode.
Battery life between Fold2 and Fold3 will vary greatly in identical use scenarios for some users- the Fold2 has vastly better cell reception/antenna design, vs the Fold3 having noticably improved (lowered) wifi power drain/use.
Depending if you have your phone gettings data from the cell tower OR the local wifi, battery use will,vary between the Fold2 and Fold3 (all other things being equal).
users quoting less than six hours runtime, I can only guess, must have screen at full brightness, and pushing constant data, AND have poor reception to the tower.
I’d probably disable 5g(or 4g if not using 5g) to see if it is cell reception causing drain, and I’d set the screen brightness to equal brightness as looking at a piece of paper appears...
(and set dark themes/avoid white screens where possible).
perhaps they use fast wireless charging (/fast charging in general) (which I find NEVER gives similar runtimes as properly charging the phone),.. or maybe they havent disable the fourty features that phones like to offer as ‘advanced user benefits’.
If I want my phone to keep the screen on whilst I am looking at it- requires infra red beaming over my face surface, + requires a camera to be on, +requires a processor core to interpret whether it sees a face and whether the eyes are facing to the screen....
I COULD HAVE MY PHONE CHEW BATTERY POWER TO FIGURE OUT WHETHER TO LEAVE SCREEN 0N, or I could just press the power button to turn off the screen when I am done with it.
I give that as an easy example, as HOW WE CONFIGURE these devices will greatly vary the battery useage.
to continue on with that example- I set my phone to turn off the screen if I double tap the screen. The inverse feature (double tap screen to turn on the screen) I switch off as I don’t need to run the digitiser (capacitive input layer) all day on the off chance I wish to check for notifications.
always on screen (with set hours) might prove useful to some (for notifications), rather than leaving phone in a constant state of wondering (/listening) for the users input.
on that theme I also turn off the settings that check if phone is in a dark place (again, uses camera sensor/light sensors), as I am happy using a power button.
other optional settings (that drain power) can include pick up detection (flipping phone to silence), waving hand across screen to capture an image (camera),.. and basic stuff like not checking for emails every five minutes (maybe not practical for some business users).
I found around twenty plus ‘battery drain’ settings that are on by default.
i use 120hz screen mode at full resolution (lower res modes save power), with natural colour rendition and ‘the right’ screen brightness.
sometimes hooking your phone to wifi will lower power usage (if in poor reception zones and having to push/pull data from the towers).
obviously Your Mileage May Vary, and some may wish to debate whether the Fold has enough power for daily usage and typical use scenarios.
Power users know who they are, and have many ways to preempt any potential issues.
for majority of use cases, the Fold (series) should meet the majorities’ needs.
Outside of first two days use of a newly setup phone, I find the phone rarely runs warm, and always gives 1-1.5 days useage (realworld)
Jackieofalltrades222, 11 Aug 2021I would say for the most part I like this phone. The battery life sucks. I must have a charger... moreYou'll be surprised the drain will be worse on the 3. I have the 2 and for the drain issue and the small inner screen, I got the Mi Mix Fold.
My Z fold 2 isn't my primary or even secondary phone anymore. From the "unpacking" and details of the 3, most of the "improvement" are more of software tweaks and gimmicky - which would lead to more battery drain.
Unfortunately most people who "review" or comments on this phone don't actually have it and have not even tried the Mi Mix Fold to see how it beats the Samsung offerings in every practical daily use.
I have multiple emails on my Spark App. I update my SimDif sites like twice daily and have LinkedIn always in the background. The Z fold 2 doesn't last half a day, even with the inner screen used minimally.
I would say for the most part I like this phone. The battery life sucks. I must have a charger on me at all times. Streaming is not compatible with this phone. Watching tik tok or any movie app will drain the battery. I get maybe 3hrs max battery life when using my phone. 6 maybe when phone is sitting and not functioning. That is absurd for a $2000 phone. So Best Buy has them for $1400 but then almost $300 for taxes and to insure the phone, cost me $2010 total. The roaming on the phone is awful too. I have to reset network any time I leave the state to get the phone to update the relocation point. The sound quality is not the greatest. I already returned a phone thinking that I got a bad one because people have a hard time hearing me and the sound quality from my end is not loud. I can not have my device sitting while driving on speaker phone unless I pick it up and hold it by my shoulder. The sound and the battery life, I hope are fixed on the 3.
Phone Genius, 30 Jul 2021Just bought one for $800, excellent device for the pricewhere did you get it at that price?
Although Fold 2 has some excellent features, it is costly; in addition, it has some fatal industrial defects that Samsung should quickly fix.
The most common issues are; short-life battery, problems with charging the mobile, the battery always becomes very hot that always cause the mobile to power off.
Although Samsung policy allows the customer to refund or replace the faulty product within the first days of buying, unfortunately, in reality, Samsung will refuse to replace or refund, which happened to me.
Overall, Fold 2 is not recommended; maybe Samsung will fix these issues in their coming Fold 3 version.
Just bought one for $800, excellent device for the price
NeoGul, 18 Jun 2021- People should quit talking about the "generation" thing, it's pointless, my M... moreyes yes its better, mi fold sold 20 units, samsung sold 300 units
so I'm more concerned about samsung, not other brand, enjoy your mi fold, have fun
I'll also buy the fold 3 when it comes out in exhange of this fold 2, once a samsung, always a samsung. its been the only brand I've used since note 2 in 2011. so yeah, I'm happy, u stay happy
- People should quit talking about the "generation" thing, it's pointless, my Mi Mix Fold beats my Z fold 2 in every way I know to use the outer and inner screens.
- Speaking of the inner screen, its bigger than that of the Z by a good margin and that makes a whole lot of difference and makes it actually usable as a tablet, the Z isn't big enough for a tablet on regular use and isn't also good enough a phone.
- The hinge has been a talking point for Samsung marketer who call themselves "reviewers" - well, as an owner of both phones, the Mi hinge works better, it snaps open with one hand and into a position one can sit it upon a lap and type away. And if fully stretched out, you hear a click ensuring a rigidity. Its better than what Samsung has on my Z fold 2.
If the Z Fold 3 retains the same size as what it is on the 2, then it falls way shorter than the Mi Fold, even if they make their inner screen refresh rate 1000000Hz - like it makes a difference on a tablet.
Mi mix Fold makes me feel I've been ripped off by Samsung with the Z fold 2.
I noticed that when I was ordering my Mi Fold from 28, the price of the Z fold 2 had dropped to the exact same price as the Mi Fold.
Using the two makes me see the Mi Fold as a practical phone;
- Direct dual nano SIM
- Taller outside screen shows more information than the one on the Z Fold 2
- Taller form factor makes it easier and more secure to hold and move around folded than the Z Fold 2.
- People should quit talking about generation"
John, 18 Jun 2021Lol, the Mi Mix Fold is a copy of the first-gen Galaxy Fold. Xiaomi uses iPad-esque 4:3 screen... moreThat outside screen displays more content and information than the smaller Z Fold 2 or even Z Fold 3 at a time - which, essentially is the aim of having a screen on the outside before unfolding.
Also the inner screen ratio is the preferred ratio and that's why iPads are a hit. So either ways, the Mi Mix Fold is way ahead of the Folds 1, 2 and 3 in terms of practicality and not to forget its dual nano SIM - not some esim.
John, 18 Jun 2021Lol, the Mi Mix Fold is a copy of the first-gen Galaxy Fold. Xiaomi uses iPad-esque 4:3 screen... moreAnd that's the preferred Screen Ratio (inner screen). Let's not forget the specs - the "copy" beats both the Fold 2 and the Fold 3 in all known specification.
The outer screen may not be wide BUT it displays more information than the Fold 2 and fold 3 outer screen - which is the main use anyways.
And the height makes it easier to hold in one hand and use too.
RealUser, 17 Jun 2021Its quite funny that Xiaomi's first attempt at the foldable phones; the Mi Mix fold beats... moreLol, the Mi Mix Fold is a copy of the first-gen Galaxy Fold. Xiaomi uses iPad-esque 4:3 screen for the inside screen, so it is easy to handle. But the outside screen's 27:9 aspect ratio is anything but great.
Its quite funny that Xiaomi's first attempt at the foldable phones; the Mi Mix fold beats the Galaxy Z Fold 2 in EVERY aspect known technically and is even preferred by some reviewers for its form factor and tall form factor as easier to hold with one hand folded.
Its clear that Samsung will have to do better than its fragile flashy phones to retain any lead in the smartphone sector.
When I watch some reviewers on YouTube 😅😅😅 their confusion and shock is simply glaring with the facts and their unconscious bias towards Samsung is quite obvious - then they start throwing phrases like "Gen 2 device", "8 months old", "Z fold 3 will definitely be better" 😅😅😅