yes striker. you hit the nail with a jackhammer. what you said was absolutely right. except that UMTS will never fully take over from GSM, bcos EDGE technology will rapidly evolve unlike UMTS which will almost seem to remain static, until they are the same
Thanks for the links. Although what I will say about the comments I made about EDGE previously, is that I agree that it would be better if the networks and providers made the switch to UMTS, but they haven't. And many non-UMTS handsets are available - especially to buyers on a budget, and i was saying that EDGE is an advantage on a non-UMTS handset.
You appear to be saying that EDGE = 3G, which does confuse me as I understood that EDGE was a fast, enhanced version of the GSM system, which was faster than standard GPRS and which led up to the inception of UMTS: http://searchmobilecomputing.techtarget.com/sDefinition/0,,sid40_gci213691,00.html
My understanding was that 3G=UMTS. And that UMTS will be the eventual successor to GSM: http://www.iec.org/online/tutorials/umts/
So, in non-UMTS handsets (such as the W810), EDGE is a definite advantage as its faster than standard GPRS. If you look on the p990 forum I said yesterday in a reply to Ombewa that 3g (UMTS)is faster than EDGE - i'm aware of this - the specs of the Non-UMTS W810 show an EDGE transfer rate of 236.8kbps, whereas the UMTS P990 is 384kbps which is clearly better. So without UMTS, EDGE is the next best thing..
Am I making sense Ken, or is my understanding of it wrong in your opinion?
I'd say that you'd be right there, it'd make no sense for it to be totally exposed, a small cheap plastic cover is just common sense I'm sure there'll be one. And the bulge that Ken2.5 spoke of earlier will go a long way in protecting the lens anyway (imagine the phone scraping lens side down on a rough surface - with the bulge there the lens would remain untouched - the only thing it'll really be vulnerable to is dust and pocket fluff (so long as theres no keys and coins in the same pocket)!
I think the W900 would be better...
This like a mix between W900 & w800 making a phone that is pretty much pointless.
If u have the money to buy it u should buy W900. :P
Everthing is fantastic , except SE's same old brand new design , Something needs to be refreshed
About the lens cover guys,yes it doesnt have a cover but i think the company it not that stupid to just leave the lens open to any danger!, i am more than sure that it has a plastic glass cover just like most of NOKIA's does,so if something happened we can just change the cover of the phone and the main lens would be always safe under it. who agrees with what i am thinking??!
does anyone know when this phone is coming out for sure???????????? i like it, it looks really cool!!!!
striker- they meant that it was based on the technology. this meant that it would be easier for companies (service providers) to make the conversion and accessibility from 2g to 3g. it is also a simpler system to UMTS.
WOW dude! really cool answers there!
too bad this phn doesnt come with 3mgpx camera...or else it'll be THE NEW GADGET TO GET for 2006! wonder if there're any software upgrades for the w810...im jus glad they lost the joystick cuz for my w800 the joystick is gettin kinda loose (oopsy for w800 fans)ONE QN THOUGH: ANY PICS ON THE WHITE ONE? cuz i tink the black one really kicks a punch...a fresh color as compared to the white/orange funky feel for the w800...SE shd look into express on covers...or at least limited edition snap ons for ppl who wan a special feel/outlook for their phns and willing to PAY for it =)
for now only NK N80 will haf 3mgpx camera embedded...not to mention WI-FI...but their phns are always so bulky when they're feature full...SE stil beats them in packaging n size =p GO SE GO!!
thank you for your comments. oh i made a mistake. there is not protective plastic in this phone. if you look at photos, then you can access that there is a bulge/protrution that fully engulfs the camera. this means it protects the lens(in case you drop the phone) but does not hinder the cameras view. there is however a cheap and easily fixable plastic cover over LCD(has the same functions as the bulge)
ooops! sorry.forgot to mention dat i was referring to ur post, ken2.5 nice job bro.
wow man.that's some info n answers to many ppls questions.ive got my eyes fixed on dis fone,n im definitely gonna buy it no matter wat (hopefully it wont cost much more dan w800).so i wos just wonderin if u or anyone here cud pls tell me wotll b da expected price.i hear its available in spain, comes at around 350 euros,n connection with some of da local operators.
Fantastic post, absolutely superb.
Although the EDGE thing did puzzle me a bit - I was always under the impression that EDGE was an upgraded form of 2G data transfer, and therefore the ideal feature for non 3g handsets. I take it from your post that I'm wrong about this????????
I WILL buy this phone. But i hope it´s not slow like W800. Otherwise this "phone" would be perfect! Does anyone know what the price would be?
@ ken2.5 dats a lot ov gud info dare m8 ope dats cleared tins up 4 many ppl, tanx 4 da indeph info on EDGE
damn you people really like this phone
RXZ5- the phone should be released end of Q1 2006
Mr Nice guy- i agree. small,beautiful, and full of functions
w800 fan- yes it will come with it. it will be standard with all the walkman phones of the future
sam- yes it will be the same bcos the internal memory represented shows the excess memory that we as the user can access and therefore all shared phone functions and abilities will be the same in effectiveness
San in the official press release it says it should be released before the end of march(Q1 2006). should be accurate like with w900
:) - the pixels is just right for a screen of that size. if you put more it will become blurry
Jack- the phone looks better, its newer(means better firmware), it has EDGE which means quicker downloads. who cares if EDGE is unpopular it is faster than GPRS
suxoid- watch what you say. UMTS= 3g. it is the frequency 2100 that NAmerica does not support.it can support 850 though.
jo- who cares about polyphonic ringtones. This is a WALKMAN PHONE and walkman=MP3
honestly what would you rather have/ care about
crossmatched- they did not need to introduce it positively. lens covers are not prerequisite in making a good phone. it is an option. the only reason why the w800 had one was because if you look at the back of the phone the was a lot of focus towards this area(silver ring)
drsilverwoman- no lens cover is not such a big deal. deceased memory is also not drastic(still have mem card). worse battery is a result of sony tweaking the battery so that over a longer time(2 years) the phone will still have a long battery life. also a result of battery becoming smaller
James- i agree with you. EDGE is ust a convenience, because some people like/ have to go on the internet through their phones. anyway you can do everything on the internet that you do on the computer on the phone(that is connected to the phone)
tony- hoooooooooold it man. dont be too drastic. it is a nice phone, but w900 is allround a better phone(except for size)
zeeshan-SE obiously no what they are doing. just like nokia they no that you can get around have a lens protector by intergrating a protective plastic layer that is part of the back cover over the lens. so that if the phone is dropped the plastic breaks and not the lens. this also means that you ust replace the cover, not the camera
andrei_ro- less int mem., more ext mem, EDGE new firmware
San- read what i said to zeeshan
Umer- what it means is that you can connect an external internet account to your phone, and the emails will automatically be sent through to your phone. you do not have to manually ask it to search for new mail.
AMH- nice summary
mike- it is possible to connect the bluetooth headphones to the phone through 3.5mm ack if headphones come with a earphone jack connector based bluetooth base
Ezekiel- yes it will. the phone is a step forward, not back
AHM- there is such a thing as a perfect phone. it will be a screen that performs all the fuctions that can be thought of. it will automatically update itself and its features as time goes on.
And which company do you think is going to make it. none. it will be made by the minds of us the consumer, and the geniuses that come to these type og forums like me, you, striker to mention a few. but once it comes out, there will be no competition. no need for companies,workers. people will become jobless, and the worlds economy will get worse. it is out there, but we do not need it yet
...=] you can try calling a head office, or marketing and tell them how you feel. obviously they will only listen if you have proof that there is need for such a phone. a simple way would be to create an internet patition. if you get more than 1000 then the company will think twice, bcos that will a quick half-million pounds
AMH- EDGE = 3G = UMTS.
they are all 3g. UMTS is just faster. oh and do you really think that it would be possible not to switch EDGE off. i mean if you could not, then the w810 battery would be very strong to reach such lengths of battery life.
Denny- read what i said to zeeshan
kirk- i do not know where you have been. rather buy a rokre2, you must be crazy. THIS PHONE IS BETA THAN A W800. and how can you tell me that black+silver+orage=gay
Striker- what do you mean"people who don't have 3g data transfer need EDGE."?read the next paragraph
TO ALL- i do not know how many times i have had to say this. EDGE = 3g UMTS = 3g. if you have no 3g=no EDGE=no UMTS. UMTS is faster ust because it is in the first group of 3g technology, which are the group that is a completely new system. EDGE is more of an upgrade to 2g technolgy. together with the rest of acronyms in this group, it will be upgraded over time, and become as good, if not beta than the UMTS group.
oh damn, i am getting this phone the moment it is available
ha ha ha you tell him Dazz!!!! Quite how a telephone can be homosexual I do not know..... Maybe he's in denial and trying to deflect the confusing feelings he has and can't control. Barrymore had the same problem when he got married!
Kirk, people who don't have 3g data transfer need EDGE. The W810 is an UPGRADE to the W800 with improved features so how can the W800 be better? So what was the point in ANYTHING you've just said?
And as for the gay comments - like I say, must be denial. Be true to who you are Kirk, cos all this anger you have is being misdirected towards a poor defenceless mobile phone. You've been hiding away in the closet for too long. Time to come out.
@ kirk, tink u da 1 dat gay coz dats al u eva say, w810 iz an upgrade but ppl may prefare, d w800 dat day already got dare, but we al sick ov wot u say, time u an u'r e2 go away.