Tann Hauser, 05 May 2019Nonsense.
DxO is not at all reliable.
HDR algorithms are computational photography.
It... morePeople dont trade essential stuff with fancy stuff. Night mode is the biggest innovation in mobile camera last year, this years is optical zoom, They are all solve the biggest problem in camera phone. But its not about the presence of night mode. Its only about how good its low light capability, if there is no night mode but low light photography is good, so its good.
The same with eye af and hdr mode, no need point given, eye autofocus is only autofocus, its about how good it is. I agree dxo should take 2 photo for xperia, one with hdr mode one non hdr, and takes the best of two for reference. Or maybe they already did it, i heard in hdr mode it produce softer image.
For optical zoom in my opinion it deserves a point. Its like if its not there, absolut loss.
Nikjosh, 04 May 2019From what you said I conclude we cant expect a new software. It will only bring some stuff lik... moreAnd I m not at all saying that DxO should adapt their protocols to Sony phones, or Sony should adapt their camera app to DxO protocols.
Dxo house... DxO rules.
But DxO claims testing, and as far as Sonys, or some other OEMs Camera app or photo/video quality... DxO has no reference validity .
Nikjosh, 04 May 2019From what you said I conclude we cant expect a new software. It will only bring some stuff lik... moreNonsense.
DxO is not at all reliable.
HDR algorithms are computational photography.
It is a vastly flawed test when two phones having HDR computational capabilities are tested and scored entirely differently, ie one with HDR algorithms and the other without them, and then scored for exactly what HDR enhances, like photo dynamic range, etc...
Or scored extra for ones phones extra features, and other phones features completely ignored in scoring. Cinema App or 10bit HDR video, or Eye autofocus ability, is for some people as valuable as 5x optical zoom or night modes on others. BUT, one set of features are included in scoring, the others are not.
And then they make a TOP list of phones scored by these entirely circumstantial methods.
Its a flawed, unfair test...
And those scores obviously depend only on the damn camera app design, or whether that app provides only automode with HDR, or just only certain features applicable only from the Camera Apps auto findviewer.
By its new "protocols" DxO tests obviously only phone camera Apps, not camera photo or video quality capabilities.
So their testing is, either seriously flawed, or needs a title banner "We test Camera Apps, not camera photo/video quality".
If you cant see or accept the problem in all this, Im just sorry, but it is what it is.
Zhao min, 04 May 2019I believe you did take great pictures with it, but samsung and huawei can take much greater pi... moreWell.. like vv said, dxo is not the standard.
Actually, the main problem of sony's mobile business is not only about camera.
So even if sony won dxo score, most people would still choose the other brands.
Zhao min, 04 May 2019I believe you did take great pictures with it, but samsung and huawei can take much greater pi... moreDxomark isn't the standard it is a reference site only don't treat it as a final result, because most of the flagship will come with software update to get better image...But Dxomark don't test it again. So it is not trustworthy at all!
Zhao min, 04 May 2019I believe you did take great pictures with it, but samsung and huawei can take much greater pi... moreYes, DXO is the standard. Many photos that I take are on the spot/action style and/or in low light, so no time to mess about with settings. Auto functions are the way to go. Don't know a single person interested in these silly, unnecessary, extra functions.
Professional shooters need these expensive Professional cameras.
According to a post on weibo, 1 was about to be new #1.
But the video score (I suppose default is 1080@30), is much lower than other phones.
So it is not going to be #1.
Revoew may be out in 3 weeks.
Shui8, 04 May 2019If i remember correctly, starting Xperia Z1 to Z5 Sony has the top charts in Dxomark. X Perfor... moreX Performance ended up as #2 in 2016.
88 points like S7 and Htc10, while Pixel had 89.
Zhao min, 04 May 2019Ahh... i remember that day. Back in that day, vV5 was the greatest defender of dxo. I rememb... moreYes. Since the Dxomark add the Bokeh and Zoom everything has changed, the full score is now exceed 100!? Can you believe it? This two features can only makes higher score what's more? About the Bokeh, do you like the AI's blur background or the blur effect base from the actual aperture, I think it depends on the photographer and individual, but which looks realistic without added artificial. The zoom in is a feature that help us zooming/get closer to the object, just like the Ultra-wide-angle is a feature too, it help capture more objects in a short distance but why don't include to the ratings? Just adding more and more features the rating will become higher, but they added selected features only and the strong/artifical bokeh is way too far from reality... weird it get higher rating. Ridiculous!
Shui8, 04 May 2019This P30 video has no reddish tint issue, and it has RYYB sensor. - https://youtu.be/xQmScWWAB... moreWatch the video links but it doesn't show in portrait captures, it all passerby. That's no the same shooting condition too.
Anonymous, 04 May 2019A few years ago, a Sony phone scored well in DXO and all Sony fan boys said how great DXO was.... moreAhh... i remember that day.
Back in that day, vV5 was the greatest defender of dxo.
I remember when i criticize Z5 camera and he got very angry because of my comment.
A smart Shooter, 04 May 2019My Xperia Z2 doesn't get a great rating, but I can take great photos. Do you still trust the D... moreI believe you did take great pictures with it, but samsung and huawei can take much greater pictures than yours.
You like it or not.. Dxo is the standard. Companies who don't follow standard always lose customers.
Pupone , 04 May 2019Guys, why criticizing so much brands or specialized websites assessing a smartphone feature? ... moreMy Xperia Z2 doesn't get a great rating, but I can take great photos. Do you still trust the Dxomark!? It is for kids they don't know how to use a camera phone
Shui8, 04 May 2019If i remember correctly, starting Xperia Z1 to Z5 Sony has the top charts in Dxomark. X Perfor... moreHmm ok. I had the Z3 too. Still one of the best phones I've ever had.
X Performance as well. That phone was just mehh. Def not a great Sony phone.
Nikjosh, 04 May 2019No.. Its because their new RYYB sensors result very different colour. They needed to change th... moreThis P30 video has no reddish tint issue, and it has RYYB sensor. - https://youtu.be/xQmScWWABiw
Its been confirmed as a codec issue, when uploading or convert video on 3rd party apps. (For example using Lightroom first, then upload to youtube). There are various discussion on XDA about it.
RockStar2005, 04 May 2019Wait, WHICH phone scored well on DxO?? lol I don't remember that! If i remember correctly, starting Xperia Z1 to Z5 Sony has the top charts in Dxomark. X Performance got no new camera algorithm up until XZ1, same old look image quality.
Samsung S6, S7 & S8 top the charts after Xperia Z5 which is no doubt, its low light & video recording on that time simply the best on its class. Pixel came forward on the top spot after that, which dethrone by both P20 & P20 Pro later on.
Anonymous, 04 May 2019A few years ago, a Sony phone scored well in DXO and all Sony fan boys said how great DXO was.... moreVery well said. We the general users don’t understand much about pro mode. We want a phone with direct point and shoot. The end result should be a better photo. That’s it. If Sony Coeria 1 delivers it then fine otherwise again people will reject it. XZ2 premium had all the perks of a good camera but couldn’t stand in the competition for this reason.
Guys, why criticizing so much brands or specialized websites assessing a smartphone feature?
DxO is pretty reliable. I am not a specialist of pics but when I read their tests on the phones I use to own or the one I own now, I see a lot of factual points.
There is no doubt that Huawei and Samsung got the best cameras outta there. That doesn't mean that others are crap, just a level below. Tho, Xiaomi is making a lot of progress and DxO underlines it.
Sony is not that bad in cameras (from some friends feedback and pics I've seen) but still noy at the level of Huawei or Samsung despite great hardware. Their problem is the software and let's see how they improved it with this Xperia 1. If they did, it could surprisingly reach a great score in DxO (and even in basic factual opinions).
Nikjosh, 04 May 2019From what you said I conclude we cant expect a new software. It will only bring some stuff lik... moreA few years ago, a Sony phone scored well in DXO and all Sony fan boys said how great DXO was. So now, when Sony scores badly, the Sony fan boys say DXO is crap !
DXO caters to 99.9% of users who only want auto functions and point and shoot camera. Nobody is interested in learning all these silly, unnecessary, extra functions. Every other brand realizes this, except Sony.
Nobody is disputing the Sony camera quality, But again, 99.9% of users only want auto functions with point and shoot photos and videos.