[deleted post]Yeah, watching the reports too.
What a debacle.
Well, as long as they did that marketing through the notorious Display Mate, they ll hopefully sell some devices...
Go for this device, there is a good reason why Sony keeps oled at lower but sufficient brightness levels, and why it doesnt use DMate for marketing.
Looks like haters do not know that this phone would never be able to do 20 fps AF if it had 16, 20, 27, 40, or 100MP.
They do not know 20MP takes more time to process than 12.
Sony uses 23, they complain and say 12 is enough.
Sony uses 12, they complain and say 108 is necessary.
When XZ series had 13Mp selfoe, they said 7 was enough.
Now sony uses 8, they want 20, 32 or 40.
Anonymous, 28 Apr 2020too much confusion bro!
higher refresh rate, higher resolution, higher brightness,higher cont... moreUnfortunately, that's how These chinese companies and Samsung are able to sell their mobiles even though they are not the best mobiles in the market. People easily fall for the hype and number Gimmicks These days. They don't care how good it is or how useful it is. These companies are rubbing their interests on peoples and getting away with it. From Whether it could be Puncholes or notches to the 16Gb rams and 120Hz refresh rates (Gaming mobiles even have 144Hz).
When you think about, do you really need those numbers ??? Does they make your mobile flagship or premium??
Higher refresh rate is good (it is just Animation that makes you feel your mobile is fast even though it isn't). But to what extent?? It consumes your batettry like hell. One reason why gaming mobiles or Laptops doesnt last Long. But nobody calls them premium or flagship.
Higher Resolution is good, but ppi also matters. Sony has great Display. Even 2020 flagships have QHD as Minimum spec. I won't be surprised if they follow sony from next year.
Higher brightness on LCD is fine but on OLED it is actually very bad. It will give you non accurate Colours and makes your phone get burn ins faster. (I'm Pretty sure u want to use your flaghsip for at least 2 years before buying another., don't fall for higher nits). Reason why sony also Limits its brigthness range is due to its Goal to produce accurate Colours at all brightness levels. Also it saves your OLED from burns, at least for longer period.
Higher contrast Needs excellent HDR, higher bits (like 10,12,14 bits) means more Colours and Display should be able to cover many Colours gamouts (Sony Xperias are the only mobiles to cove many gamouts and higher percentage than other mobiles.)
If you have read my other comment on rams, you won't be Talking like this. Last year 6GB Xperia and 4GB iPhone performed onpar with 12GB ram samsung and OnePlus in speed test. This also proves how crap Samsung and OP ram management is. Anything over 8GB ram is nonsense (even with 3 chrome tabs open) today. Over 12GB is stupidity and where Mr.Silly lives
Higher Megapixels are great for Details, but it also gets you more noise when you can't process it well like now Happening in S20 Ultra. Remember how DSLR does great even with lesser MP??
Slower charge is good for your Long term battery life. No matter what People tell you (especially chinese), if you want to use your mobile for morethan 3 years, 65W charging will deteriates your bettery or batteries. Ever wondered why Apple/ Sony don't go for those supe Ultra fast charging even though they spend morethan 1 Billion on R&D each year??? They are not stupid.
Smithravi, 28 Apr 2020I guess you completely ignored my other comment where I basically explained you why it is stup... moreI completely agree, however you are wasting your time on him/her. Anybody who goes to a forum meant for people who are considering buying the phone just to say the product is rubbish and expensive (constructive criticism would be ok) without having tested it themselves is not going to be convinced by logic. I am interested however in which phone the said person is considering buying, as needs information about, as to direct them to the correct forum
SLSAHXOHVOMVN, 27 Apr 2020Hey confused guy, Sony already has the 4k panel with 120hz display. They just need to unlock i... moreI guess you completely ignored my other comment where I basically explained you why it is stupidity to have many options in one mobile. Reason
1. When you're buying 4K, you are paying for 4K Display, why do you want to use Full HD or QHD Display?? Makes no sense. Similarly, when you are willing to pay for QHD at 120Hz, then you should use it, not Full HD to save battery because you already Paid for that feature in first place.
2. QHD at 120Hz consumes more battery than 4K at 60Hz. You can see the battery life of Xperia 1 with 3300mAh performed on par/ sometimes better than with FHD 90Hz mobiles.
3. Sony 4K display is with 90Hz equivalant (they clearly mentioned it). So you are basically getting 90Hz as well as 4K. Why are you crying About 120Hz, I still don't understand. As I said again, one won't be able to tell the differece when given two refresh rate mobiles "separately" inlcuding you. Not side by side. Nobody uses two mobiles side by side in two Hands unless he is a Reviewer. Only then you will notice the difference.
Xperia 1 10bit true or not or Software simulated doesn't matter, You will be able to get 1B Colours, that's what 10bit means. Though it might not have exact/same colours like Hardware 10bit, Software 10 bit mimics those Colours. That's what it is.
And you still evading my Price comparison. Tell me who will spend 1070 Euros on OP8 Pro with baggage and 1500 Euros on DJ Auto focussing S20 Ultra? Don't you think Xperia 1 II even at aussmed 1200 Euros Price range makes more sense than other two?? Real life Performance, ofcourse everyone should wait and see, but I'm pretty sure even on papers, X1 II makes more sense than other chinese/Samsung mobiles.
SLSAHXOHVOMVN, 28 Apr 2020That is not true 10 bit.
Just like other phones do 8bit with CFR and label it 10 bit. It's no... moreIt's FRC not CFR
8-bit + FRC is perceptually identical from 10-bit when done correctly. Given the distance from your face to the screen, you definitely do not want to pay extra for a true 10 bit display if there's an alternate solution.
Anyways, if you do want true 10 bit, to take advantage of it, you'll need to professionally calibrating the screen too or else there's really no point in getting it over 8 bit + 2.
YogiBear83, 28 Apr 2020Do you know whats mean dithering (Dither)? U can achive 14-bit gradation on 8-10bit panel. I w... moreThat is not true 10 bit.
Just like other phones do 8bit with CFR and label it 10 bit. It's not true 10 bit display.
Just like 8gb dedicated RAM with 2gb virtual RAM won't be considered total of 10gb RAM.
Telephone, 28 Apr 2020Dithering uses software algorithm to simulate a desired color.
Here is an example of differ... moreExacly.
Another part is that, you can achive some colors by "flashing sub-sub pixels by diferent
frequency". If you look on VA display under microscope (I do that) and pause signal you will see that (some VA panels etc Sony XG95 have additional square subpixels above normal subpixels) subpixels are flashing with diferent frequency to achive anothers colors. Example: when you will flashing blue color then this color is less bright and you can achive another color by mixing this with another color.
The same you will see on plasma panels (that can do 12-bit). Hitachi and Pioneer have many patents about this.
Sony F65 is first camera that have diamond shape Bayer RGB (with additional Green subpixel - twice pixels like normal 4K) and then Samsung make something similar in OLED displays.
Anonymous, 28 Apr 2020too much confusion bro!
higher refresh rate, higher resolution, higher brightness,higher cont... moreMore megapixels doesn't mean better.
8K recording isn't better than 4k recording.
It depends on your use case. You cant have fast auto focus if your computing that much details, hence the huge crop in Samsung's sensor when recording, the lost of stabilisation and more.
Sony's doing the camera correctly with larger pixels 2 microns compared 1.8 on S20+ and about 10% more light with the lower F stop.
Anonymous, 28 Apr 2020too much confusion bro!
higher refresh rate, higher resolution, higher brightness,higher cont... moreHigh refresh rate: Not everyone needs it, 60hz is enough
High resolution: Its already one of the top, behind Z5 XZP XZ2P
High brightness: current OLED material limit brightness, more voltage = brighter but burns out quicker
Color accuracy: It's good, we are not photo editing, it doesn't need to be perfect
RAM: This is not a desktop. Its a smartphone. Anything over 8gb is a waste of money. (what's the point if all of it is not going to be used?)(some flagships have LPDDR4X, inferior to LPDDR5)
Megapixel: Too much MP = slower. IMX557 has a larger pixel size = more light
Charger: Limited to prolong battery life, its already fast enough
It's a good phone
I just care about the experience, specs are just numbers anyways. You never know until you try one. You like it, you get it. You don't, then don't.
Telephone, 28 Apr 2020Has anyone heard of downloading more RAM? I... moretoo much confusion bro!
higher refresh rate, higher resolution, higher brightness,higher contrast meaning better display! much easier to understand than color accuracy therefore sony phones are crap. added with less ram, less megapixel camera,slower charge!what else? anyway RIP SONY
haha sony should've just sell more gimmicks to become more mainstream. who still want high quality products in these day? no one, everyone just want the hype
SLSAHXOHVOMVN, 27 Apr 2020Lol that's not how it works. It's hardware level.
Just like Your RAM can't suddenly jump from... moreHas anyone heard of downloading more RAM? It's a joke, lol
But here's the interesting part. PAINT
When you mix different pigments at different ratios, you get a different shade.
Lets say you have red and yellow paint. You mix them to make orange. Now put the orange under a microscope and see that there is no orange pigment, There was never an orange pigment. All you will see is red and yellow pigment particles. Dithering is the digital version of mixing paint. It makes sense right. (and yes, this wouldn't be necessary if the screen supported it in the first place)
YogiBear83, 28 Apr 2020Do you know whats mean dithering (Dither)? U can achive 14-bit gradation on 8-10bit panel. I w... moreDithering uses software algorithm to simulate a desired color.
Here is an example of different dithering algorithms.
Sony has proprietary algorithms for X1 engine.
SLSAHXOHVOMVN, 27 Apr 2020Lol that's not how it works. It's hardware level. Just like Your RAM can't suddenly jump from... moreDo you know whats mean dithering (Dither)? U can achive 14-bit gradation on 8-10bit panel. I write about "gradation". Example - Sony X1 Extreme procesor can do that on TV.
YogiBear83, 27 Apr 2020Triluminos mode adds extra gradation to colors (I think 10bit). You can see that on Opera Brow... moreLol that's not how it works. It's hardware level.
Just like Your RAM can't suddenly jump from 8gb to 10gb.
SLSAHXOHVOMVN, 27 Apr 2020Hey confused guy, Sony already has the 4k panel with 120hz display. They just need to unlock i... moreTriluminos mode adds extra gradation to colors (I think 10bit). You can see that on Opera Browser on green background.
Anonymous, 27 Apr 2020" The cameras of Sony are honest, photos are not fake" ... Mitsuya Kishida ( Sony Mobile Pr... moreBut its true. On XZ3 photos are a little bit overexposed (for better dynamic) but I take Album Editor and after 5 second with "curves" I can make photo that looks much better - better contrast and exposure.
Smithravi, 26 Apr 2020Ok, let's talk about OP 8 Pro. 1070 Euros instead of 1070 dollars. It doesn't matter which com... moreHey confused guy, Sony already has the 4k panel with 120hz display. They just need to unlock it so higher refresh rate users can use 120hz combined with 1080p or 2k and ppl like you can use 4K at 60hz. Ppl who want 4k screen won't be losing out on anything and ppl who want high refresh rate won't be losing out on anything either. If you can't distinguish between 120hz and 60hz experience, that's your problem. Plenty of others can.
WHY DO YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH BOTH TYPE OF USERS BEING SATISFIED?
Since the panel remains the same and so does the price.
When did I say 10bit is 16M colors?
I was replying to the guy(Lqu) who was bragging on every page about Sony Xperia 1 having 10bit display when in reality it's not true 10 bit as it outputs 16M color.
Xperia 1 II & Find X2 pro on the other hand have true 10 bit display.
" The cameras of Sony are honest, photos are not fake" ...
Mitsuya Kishida ( Sony Mobile President) on interview given to AV Watch ..
Looks like Taiwan will be getting 10 ii next week.