Anonymous, 13 Apr 2020Yes such an advanced phone with 21W fast charging and weak telephoto lens which probably won't... moreThat is one area where one can argue that SONY backed off big time. I completely agree with you on that.
Anonymous, 13 Apr 2020OnePlus and other Chinese brands started advertising and marketing heavily only after they bec... moreWell, get your facts right. We will continue discussion after that. I don't know I thought OnePlus One was their first model, I never knew they released few models before that which I don't have any info of and after the brand became famous they released OnePlus One.
Anonymous, 13 Apr 2020Yes such an advanced phone with 21W fast charging and weak telephoto lens which probably won't... moreOk they loose a point for quick charge and I'll take off 1/2 point for your hypothesis about the camera (which is probably wrong) how many extra points for the 4k, oled HDR screen (not uhd screen, don't want to go through that again). No phone is perfect, pick what's good for you. For me the screen is the most important, I can live with the battery only lasting a day and I can live with it taking longer to charge while I sleep. As for everything else. It can't really be beaten in hardware.
Anonymous, 13 Apr 2020Why? on paper it is one of if not, the most advanced phones possible at this time. How is 1200... moreYes such an advanced phone with 21W fast charging and weak telephoto lens which probably won't be used in night pics.
Sony gave 18W charging in 2015-16 if I remember correctly.
Vineet Reddy, 13 Apr 2020Don't know my friend that should I be laughing at your poor joke or feel bad that you never wa... moreOnePlus and other Chinese brands started advertising and marketing heavily only after they became popular. Heck they had such low profit margins that they had to sell online. Majority of the users during that period didn't buy phones online, they use to buy from physical stores which had Sony, HTC, LG, Samsung, etc, none of the Chinese brands.
They started of with zero marketing. Never saw an commercial for OnePlus or Xiaomi before they became popular brands among users after word of mouth publicity. It's only after gaining certain marketshare, that they started investing money in advertising.
Truth is bitter, You can continue to be in denial about Sony.
Anonymous, 12 Apr 2020Let me take you to a trip down the memory lane.
Back in 2013-2014, there was no OnePlus, Xiao... moreDon't know my friend that should I be laughing at your poor joke or feel bad that you never watched TV or read Newspaper. Seriously how could you have missed the advertisement of OnePlus One. Wow, seriously wow. Lets say you read a different paper than Hindustan Times which sadly was never booked by Oneplus to advertise their phone, but I really cant believe that you have never seen a single ad of OnePlus One on TV in 2014 Let it be Hindi English or Regional let it be Entertainment, News or Sports OnePlus One ad was shown in almost every channel at some point of time. Comparatively Mi did less advertising at that point of time.
Even now watch TV or read newspaper you will regularly come across advertisement of SAMSUNG, OnePlus, Xiaomi, OPPO, NOKIA, ASUS and Apple all these brands do good marketing. Even while traveling outside you can see their hoardings. Don't know what world or parallel universe you live in. HTC stopped long ago and even LG and Motorola stopped, Lenovo stopped as well. See what happened to their sales.
punisher, 13 Apr 20201200$ for Sony. Hahaha somebody must be jokingYes, the people who put $1600 tag on s20 ultra, $1500 on iphone Xs Max and $2500 on Xiaomi Mix Alpha.
punisher, 13 Apr 20201200$ for Sony. Hahaha somebody must be jokingWhy? on paper it is one of if not, the most advanced phones possible at this time. How is 1200€ a joke for Sony and not for other companies?
20fps for 24mm.
10fps for 16mm amd 70mm.
iToF works for video with 70mm
Band 77 will come as update later.
Finger scanner is not same used by XZ1. New type (patent from 2019). No need to disable in USA.
It has DRO like Alpha/Cybershot
Gganso, 12 Apr 2020My point isn't about OS platforms, I was talking about the reason people buy smartphones.
iO... moreApart from the arrangement of icons on home screen, there are no similarities between Chinese Android skins and iOS.
Those skins provide a way more functional, customizable, secure, intuitive and (with 120hz displays on the market) smoother experience.
IOS will never reach that level
After XZ, Sony stopped sending unit to dxo.
So, do not expect more than 107.
By the way, looks like it can record 4K60 HDR.
I wont be surprised if they test 1080p30, like done to Xperia 5 when they tested 4k60 for iphone.
Anonymous, 12 Apr 2020Ferrari and Lamborghini though they sell less, they still aren't losing money in the automobil... moreYes, Sony is not premium name like Ferrari, Rolex or Lamborghini.
But Samsung and Apple are not too.
Samsung has never been a brand of rich people, far from that.
Any poor family has Samsung product, like tv or cellphone.
There is no excuse like Samsung and Apple can charge more because of their names like some people here try to justify.
In the end it is a cellphone, not a watch with diamonds or a car that does 400KmH and costs $800.000 to be made.
Anonymous, 12 Apr 2020When Sony had 20 and 23 megapickel cameras, People complained coz Sony messed it up with bad i... moreMy Z3+ does not have oil painting often seen on photos of phones that dxomark give scores like 115, 120, 125 etc ..... Everybody was shocked with photos from p20 pro that looked too ugly even downscaled from 40 to 12.
If I take photo of someone, person wont look like made out of wax. No smooth walls.
I have few photos I took on an university campus, trees that were about 60m away I can easily seen the leaves, each stone on the wall, cement blocks used for sidewalk.
Increasing pixels by 0.2, 0.4 or 0.6 micron is not going to make any difference.
Otherwise the cameras with highest resolution would not be the best despite having smaller pixels than their sports counterpart.
A7R4 61MP will give better photos than A7 III/A9 24MP. No matter raw or jpeg.
Give to same brand a 12MP 1/1.7 and 20MP 1/1.7 .... The highest will give better shots.
Other than the display and camera tech. These are other exclusives.
Dual shock 4 compatibility.
Call of duty 21:9
And haters want all these stuff for less than €1000. Good luck with that.
Anonymous, 12 Apr 2020It doesn't get any more premium than Android.
IOS is a handicapped ecosystem. Much inferior w... moreMy point isn't about OS platforms, I was talking about the reason people buy smartphones.
iOS is handicapped. Lol. Why do your so cherished Chinese brands copy it's UI- Huawei.
Anonymous, 12 Apr 2020Ferrari and Lamborghini though they sell less, they still aren't losing money in the automobil... moreSony is not just a mobile company :) They are not losing any money :)
Of course they have been selling very less number of mobiles for past 3 years compared to previous generation. This year is a different story, Xperia 1 II has nothing to complain for the price. Though absolute price did look like high. But when Samsung is able to sell crap mobiles at 1500 Euros in eruope with exynos processors. Xperia 1 II with SD 1200 euros is justified. Though the target features are different. Xperia 1 II is more practical and pretty sure is better in almost all segments of overall performance.
My point is, yes, past few years sony could not bring perfect mobile (though they have unique features but still came with some baggage). If people still complain like they do for past few yea mobiles. No, I just call these people sony haters because, there is nothing to hate this mobiles for 1200 euros (though it is unofficial price, I just assume it to be no surprise)
Gganso, 12 Apr 2020Your comment shows you don't know nothing about premium phone.
2. Sales is not a parameter t... moreIt doesn't get any more premium than Android.
IOS is a handicapped ecosystem. Much inferior with a functionally challenged OS.
Don't worry you'll be getting widgets and app drawer with iOS 14 in 2020, something that existed on Android phones a decade back.
I'd take Chinese flagships over IPhone running handicapped OS.
Smithravi, 12 Apr 2020Ok time to teach one more hater how a product is considered premium or flagship.
Ferrari or L... moreFerrari and Lamborghini though they sell less, they still aren't losing money in the automobile industry and their marketshare has remained the same while Sony is losing money in mobile industry by incurring record losses and a sharp decline in marketshare compared to 5 years back.
My point is that Sony is far from being considered premium like a Ferrari or Lamborghini.