Anonymous, 12 Apr 202048MP = 1/2" 64MP = 1/1.72" Sony imx557 = 1/1.67" When Sony had 20 and 23, people com... moreWhen Sony had 20 and 23 megapickel cameras, People complained coz Sony messed it up with bad image processing. It's only recently from the Xperia 1 series, that image quality and processing has been on par with other flagships. Took them a while to get their algorithms right.
Vineet Reddy, 12 Apr 2020Lets say you produce a product which is great and is better than similar products offered by o... moreLet me take you to a trip down the memory lane.
Back in 2013-2014, there was no OnePlus, Xiaomi was not well known,Huawei was not that recognized either, Realme didn't exist and other Chinese manufacturers were less known.
Flagship segments were dominated by LG, HTC, Sony, Samsung and Apple.
This is where Chinese manufacturers started launching great devices at affordable prices in the budget and mid-range segment which were offering exceptional value for money compared to their Sony, LG, Samsung, HTC counterparts.
Over the years, their marketshare improved as they got word of the mouth publicity since devices were so good - Exceptional build quality, performance and specs for the price.
Sony, HTC, LG, Samsung continued to provide phones with similar specs at almost twice the price and all of them consequently kept losing marketshare.
These companies had zero marketing and were launched (online buy only) to save costs. Yet they managed to Trump all the premier brands in terms of sales and now today, the mid range and budget segment is dominated by Chinese companies. Samsung had to launch a reasonable M series to prevent losses in that price segment.
My point is that If these Chinese companies can get ppl to buy phones without marketing and end up dominating those segments then Why can't Sony do it?
Huawei surely Did it in premium segment uptil the US ban.
Samsung had delivered in the premium segment over a decade now, so fans know they won't be disappointed with a Galaxy flagship. While LG and HTC were a hit or a miss depending on the year.
This is why, even with marketing, Sony wouldn't be able to do jack sh*t unless they lower prices.
Sony, HTC and LG are in the same boat. What they need is not better marketing but bang for buck products that will force users to switch to Sony from brands like Samsung and Apple.
Anonymous, 12 Apr 2020Ferrari and Lamborghini though they sell less, they still aren't losing money in the automobil... moreOk time to teach one more hater how a product is considered premium or flagship.
Ferrari or Lambo are companies and not products. Just like Sony is a company and not a product. Either of them are failure. While a product in particular year can be a failure (here anyone with sane mind will never see the number of sales per year), that doesn't mean that company is a failure.
Xperia does have some unique features which even the so called other flagships doesn't even offer. Anyone who thinks about Premium, first thing one gets into mind is DESIGN. Sony Xperia has won IF design and Red dot design awards. That alone shows whose design is the best in the market. Sony doesn't follow other brands, especially Apple/Samsung like shieps. Sony coping up with trend (Xpria 1 II is the best example), bring unique features like 20 AE/AF, 4K HDR with 10 bit colour depth and the only mobile that can cover the most of BT.2020.
OP, I don't even consider this mobile a flagship. They don't offer basic features like IP65/68. That reason alone (though there are many light slim and light weight, camera, display colours etc) strikes it off from flagship segments. Only broke people buy mediocre mobiles and call it a flagship. S20 Ultra or Iphone 11 Pro on the other hand, yes they are flagships. But nope, I don't consider any of chinese mobiles a flagship. Their build quality and material itself displays they r not flagship. Unless you have used any of true flagship mobiles, just try buy one and use it. You will never call OP a flagship again. :)
Finally the ads and bloatware are big reasons
Anonymous, 12 Apr 2020Ferrari and Lamborghini though they sell less, they still aren't losing money in the automobil... moreYour comment shows you don't know nothing about premium phone.
2. Sales is not a parameter to determine quality of products, as many people buy products because of many reasons. It'll be very difficult for someone who's used to iOS ecosystem to switch to android no matter what they offer. Myself for example, can't ditch my iPhone because of software compactibility with my MacBook.
This is what premium means.
Great screen accuracy, fast firmware updates, uninterrupted viewing experience, great audio experience, great battery(the Xperia 1 isn't that great tho) and great techies that ensure product longevity.
Now see if your Chinese brands score at least 7 in all.
PS: didn't talk about camera as I'm not into smartphone photography.
Anonymous, 12 Apr 2020Every company engages in marketing but saying that OnePlus, Xiaomi, Realme got popular coz of ... moreYou live in India then you should know how well the Z and Z1 models sold in 2012-2015. Z1 specially in year 2014-15 sold way above its MSRP and still was highly demanded and got sold like hot cakes. At that time there were newer offerings from SONY as well as other brands and which were selling for same price or even less and yet people purchased way over priced Z1 over newer gen smart phones. All online stores Amazon.in, Flipkart, Snapdeal and other online stores like Croma, Reliance Digital etc. were all overcharging like between 30-35K the cheapest was around 27K and yet people purchased it over other newer flagships which were priced around same price or even lower or bit higher depending on brand. Z1 was sold to the extend that all the online stores even sold imported version with wait time and it still sold like hot cakes. That my friend is what I call trust in product. Even International version was sold out at that crazy high prices. There is a reason people din't purchase the later iterations of XPERIA as majority din't even know they exist. XZ Premium was as good as Z1 for its time then why dint it sell.
[deleted post]48MP = 1/2"
64MP = 1/1.72"
Sony imx557 = 1/1.67"
When Sony had 20 and 23, people complianed.
Not they put 12 MP to increase speed and allow 20fps with AF (no other brand does burst with AF), people complain again.
Sony Semicon will sell what they want. If one brands orders a 1" sensor, they will sell.
They want money.
Nobody complain when Samsung display sells to Sony, OnePlus and Oppo better screens than they sell to Samsung Mobile.
Anonymous, 12 Apr 2020Every company engages in marketing but saying that OnePlus, Xiaomi, Realme got popular coz of ... moreOnePlus popular? People think that oneplus sells as much as oppo and vivo?
Probably do not even reach 5 million units per year.
Anonymous, 12 Apr 2020I don't know if this is relevant enough to you guys. But there's a topic that I'm interested i... moreNot true.
Xperia have never been done by Foxconn.
In Latin America, Xperia done by local companies.
But for Asia and Europe, the phones are made at Sony factories.
They are made in Thailand Sony factory.
Anonymous, 12 Apr 2020I have to say, XZ3 with triluminous was also mistake on Sony's page. I couldn't check sony mob... moreSamsung is working on quantum dots for oled.
We do not inow if LG has it already.
XZ3 uses LG oled.
Anonymous, 12 Apr 2020Every company engages in marketing but saying that OnePlus, Xiaomi, Realme got popular coz of ... moreLets say you produce a product which is great and is better than similar products offered by others. But you decided not to advertise it at all. The others even with their not so good product decided to advertise. Now you tell me will people even consider a product which they have not heard of or know how good it is or purchase the product which they have already heard of and know what to expect. That is simple logic and that is how it works. Let me tell you we are arguing here that one is better over other, but only 20-25% or even less really care and do proper research before purchasing goods. 75-80% consumers depend on what they in general media then check online what is being offered and purchase it blindly without considering different options. Over that you expect them to research of a product of which they have no idea of its existence. Think practically. People mostly blindly rely on brand name. I have many in family and friends who used to purchase SAMSUNG blindly because of its brand name, once I introduced them to SONY or even OnePlus they questioned themselves for purchasing SAMSUNG again and again when the device failed in short period of time.
Smithravi, 12 Apr 2020Of course. Ferrari or Lamborghini are never sold more than VW polo. Anyone with common sense k... moreFerrari and Lamborghini though they sell less, they still aren't losing money in the automobile industry and their marketshare has remained the same while Sony is losing money in mobile industry by incurring record losses and a sharp decline in marketshare compared to 5 years back.
Only brain dead Sony brand boys consider it a premium device.
Last time I heard, Samsung, Huawei and Apple were dominating the premium segment.
And you know who got into that circle? OnePlus, a chinese brand that you hate so much.
Vineet Reddy, 12 Apr 2020If you really think they are not marketing then I guess you don't follow News Paper or even re... moreEvery company engages in marketing but saying that OnePlus, Xiaomi, Realme got popular coz of marketing only is bull****. They got popular CoZ they provided great products at affordable prices. Sony provides good phones but the price steers them away towards other brands.
I live in India, here ppl buy value for money products. Nothing to do with marketing.
Sony has even stopped selling flasghips here.
I don't know if this is relevant enough to you guys. But there's a topic that I'm interested in learning more about. It may help clear up questions regarding current phone prices in the competitive phone market.
So FOXCONN is a well known (I hope you know) company that provides electronics manufacturing services for big companies around the world. They manufacture PlayStation 3 4, APPLE iPhones, eyePads, and Xbox.
I've read in the past (6yrs ago) that Foxconn also manufactured XPERIA phones for Sony. And I'm wondering if they are manufacturing the recent Sony X1 and X1 II.
I'm also curious to know who manufactures the cheaper flagships.
Does it matter who manufactures your phone? (the company that executes, not the company that designs)
Gganso, 12 Apr 2020"Sony is not everyone"; maybe this fact is too hard for trolls to understand.Yeah. Probably SONY realized that with their crap marketing they cannot sell or push out huge number of units and decided to make it more unique and exclusive by pricing it that high. But back when SONY did know how to advertise their products it outsold SAMSUNG and HTC in flagship category 2013-2014 in India.
Anonymous, 12 Apr 2020Correction The OLED doesn't use Quantum dot technology. (GSMARENA mistakenly put triluminos... moreThat is the sad part. Even-though TRILUMINOS was enabled by Quantum-dot implementation, the term TRILUMINOS was never coined in reference to Quantum-dot tech it was coined in reference to superior color coverage and that is how it was advertised. Because of that majority of people don't know that SONY implemented Quantum-dot technology. It being unrelated to Quantum-dot tech the way SONY advertises it, it can be used for OLED as well and has been used in advertising of all OLED TVs launched by SONY till date.
[deleted post]Oh, I forgot to add this
Back in the day, when i was using a flip phone, my dum bass thought it was a good idea to get one of the highest megapixel phone (flip phone) around that time. It was a HUGE mistake. It was a flip phone (FUJISTU F01B) on steroids, touch screen, waterproof* fingerprint reader, and 12.2 MEGAPIXELS.
That camera was TRASH
The processor couldn't even handle all that EXTRA EXTRA data. Well over 10 seconds per shot. The only thing that worked well on that thing was the fingerprint reader.
Now I wonder how many consecutive focused shots can you take with a 48MP phone camera. I know Xperia 1 II can execute alot better and quicker. (i never actually seen it preform yet, but I'm sure it can do it)
[deleted post]Megapixels if for marketing
All we need is high quality sensors that captures accurate photos.
Not sensors that pickup unnecessary noise and artifacts that end up eating storage space.
12MP is more than enough
Anonymous, 12 Apr 2020Sony website does not mention Triluminos for 1 ii and 1.
But does mention for XZ3.
All o... moreI have to say, XZ3 with triluminous was also mistake on Sony's page. I couldn't check sony mobile USA, but I checked Sony UK and it does say it in the specs section.
But nowhere in the overview is it advertised.
It must have been a Copy Paste mistake. (probably was copied from xz2 and forgot to remove)
It just doesn't make any sense to put Quantum dot in a OLED. It just doesn't work.
The BT2020 OLED is superior to Triluminous anyways. So I'll just stop talking about the tech and move on. (Sorry guys)
Anonymous, 12 Apr 2020Correction
The OLED doesn't use Quantum dot technology.
(GSMARENA mistakenly put triluminos... moreSony website does not mention Triluminos for 1 ii and 1.
But does mention for XZ3.
All other brands are stuck at DCI-P3, since xz2 all xperia high end are beyond and reach BT2020.
When review is out , i bet haters will make it have more than 1000 comments.
All cons pointed for 1 are fixed (except battery that we do not know impact of 5G on this phone).
Just curious if haters will demand gsma staff to reduce score like they did last year. Because they do not accept any other brand to earn more than samsung and huawei.