AlexP, 23 Dec 2020It's easy choice. Xperia 1 II over any iPhone or Samsung. I don't know what you are... moreI get it that it offers manual settings on all fov, what are the maximum exposures then in seconds, it goes the same for every fov or its different, 1s/10s/50s/no limit...?
RishiGuru, 19 Dec 2020First you compared car and smartphone designs. Then it was their performance & reliability... moreIt's easy choice. Xperia 1 II over any iPhone or Samsung.
I don't know what you are trying to prove, but I understand that you don't have Xperia 1 II, that's why you have no idea how good it is
Anonymous, 20 Dec 2020im here to read phone review, but what the hell is going on here, is this supercar review or p... morethey r arguing whether they can cross compare a phone to supercars and car sports. so i had a little fun and did some commentating lol
Got my xperia I ii updated to Android 11 here in the UK.
Came here for consumer advice and, as interesting and articulate this argument is, it's got nothing to do with how good this phone is.
You gents please provide your opinions on the Sony Xperia 1 II that would be great....
im here to read phone review, but what the hell is going on here, is this supercar review or phone review.
well this argument between u two will be LONG
RishiGuru, 19 Dec 2020First you compared car and smartphone designs. Then it was their performance & reliability... moreFirst you need to learn to read my comments carefully.
You are sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo off the point that I can't even argue with you.
Okay I understand that you may have miss read the previous post. Please read again. Understand it. Carefully try to absorb what I said before. Read few of my Previous comments. I have said same thing just trying to explain you with context to some thing easy to understand.
But seriously I have noted that you have not even reading through my entire Post carefully. No point arguing if you are not even going to read through carefully. I have been explain same thing twice all this time but not any more. Please go back and read my posts carefully before you reply.
Literally in some posts your argument is so funny. I say 3+2=5 and then you argue that I am wrong because it is 2+3=5.
Vineet Reddy, 19 Dec 2020I hope realize that 24hr Le Mans is one race which puts the car on test for that single race. ... moreFirst you compared car and smartphone designs. Then it was their performance & reliability followed by practicality of cars and how they compared with smartphones.
Now it is the number of cars verses Sony & Chinese phones sold in eBay ... and the saga continues .....
You have to understand the reliability of a car or a smartphone cannot be judged by the number of units sold in eBay .... your subjective hypothesis have no value in real world. Also as requested in my last post you were unable to provide any hard points against your reliability claims.
It is imperative to stop this unending saga of unequal comparisons between car and smartphones with immediate effect. Expect no reply further on. Case dismissed.
RishiGuru, 18 Dec 2020It is imperative that we stop this comparison between car and smartphones immediately.
All... moreI hope realize that 24hr Le Mans is one race which puts the car on test for that single race. That means nothing on reliability of a car over time. That Literally means nothing. If you really think that BMW-McLaren F1 can be used as a daily driver reliably then you are dreaming. I think you don't get the point of what reliability over time is. And what usage of a car or a smartphone over time is. Do one thing. Go to eBay.com Motors and check on Rolls-Royce listed from past 2 Decades. Then check on McLarens being sold. You will surprised to see the result. Considering the Extremely Low volume that McLaren sells in comparison to Rolls-Royce why so many McLarens end up being sold. That too 80%+ being New less than 5Yr Models. Whereas of all the Rolls-Royce being sold it is 40% or less that are 2015 or Newer Models. You can go to any other US or even UK car used car Listing sites and you will get similar results. That was my point. That was what I was trying to explain in my past few posts.
Similarly People using iPhone or XPERIA end up using the device for over very long period of time. Where as people using Xiaomi, OnePlus etc mostly end up switching there devices much sooner because of the issues that arise from longer usage.
Rishi and Vineet are now going head to head, vinnet tries to deflect rishi's punch and hits! rishi now kicks vineet nearly off the stage but vineet barely hangs on!!!
AnonD-973296, 17 Dec 2020Hello welcome back to radio sony where today we listen to two people in the comments debate on... morehaha ikr... if people can buy both cars and be happy about it... but no, people love arguments that can go infinitely... i thought this is car arena... or bashing arena hahahahhaha
Vineet Reddy, 18 Dec 2020Brother you gave me 5 solid points. Thanks for taking your time to reply and put out Long deta... moreIt is imperative that we stop this comparison between car and smartphones immediately.
All your counter data points are very vague in nature and you are constantly moving from one point to another. First you compared car and smartphone designs. Then it was their performance & reliability. Now it's the practicality of cars and how they compare with smartphones. It seems you do not have any basic understanding of how a car works.
The world's biggest test of a vehicle reliability is performed each year on the famous 24 hours LeMans race circuit. It is the proving ground of vehicle reliability. All competing vehicles need to run 24 hours non stop at maximum performance average speed possible.
The legendary McLaren F1 designed by mercurial Gordon Murray won it in 1995, covering 298 laps in total. That is 4056 km non stop through day & night on an average speed of 169 km/h. Rain was mud was also included.
Can you objectively present here any hard data point where you can prove a Rolls Royce have run more kilometres in any type of race and covered more distance than this McLaren in a single stint? I imply in a race as this is where you push a car near its peak performance and still expect good reliability. The type you claim Rolls Royce to be. I am not even comparing the average speeds as you you will be left with 4 wheels of the Rolls if you try to attend that.
RishiGuru, 17 Dec 2020"What you saying about Rolls-Royce vs McLaren is exactly what I have been saying. See McL... moreBrother you gave me 5 solid points. Thanks for taking your time to reply and put out Long detailed explanation with pointers. I really appreciate that dedication. But now coming to the 5 points you explained in Detail did nothing to prove that McLaren is more Reliable and Long lasting than Rolls-Royce. Now coming to real Life and Being Practical. Take any McLaren that is out there in real world. The cars which are used regularly on daily basis and put through tiring usage the cars are retired or sold off by its owner in just few years of its purchase. The McLarens which are with the owner for very long time are not used much and are purchased as collectors item. Now the Rolls-Royce. The Fact that Rolls-Royce majority of them are used for decade at minimum by owner to be chauffeured around on daily basis. To be honest I selected McLaren because it is the least reliable of the Super Car territory. Lamborghini being most reliable followed by Porsche. But that is a different discussion. There are people around the world who need a Reliable Low Maintenance Least down time car and that kind of crowd heads towards Rolls-Royce. Then there are people who want the car to enjoy the ride and push it crazy and be fast and they don't care about Reliability and end up swapping it to next better thing in just short period of time. That kind of crowd looks towards McLaren.
Similarly the iPhone and XPERIA crowd needs their devices to be exceptional and last Long over time and be reliable. Chinese phone crowd are fine with the top of the Line Performance they get and really don't care their phones to be reliable over time as they expect to replace them in a year or two to the newer version out.
Hello welcome back to radio sony where today we listen to two people in the comments debate on whether we can cross compare chinese phones with luxury car companies.
TheGoldenMellifluous, 16 Dec 2020Well, first things, thanks for the reply and elaboration. Sure, opinion to themselves and I ac... moreThanks for the great info. I admire you enthusiasm for Sony smartphones and how much you know about them. But don't be fooled with such public statements by a company representative. Remember a statement like this can often be argued both ways.
Vineet Reddy, 17 Dec 2020You are wrong if you think cars and smartphones are too different to be used for cross compari... more"What you saying about Rolls-Royce vs McLaren is exactly what I have been saying. See McLaren is meant for Burst of Speed but have to remember it is "Burst of Speed" you cannot expect the McLaren to Run on its Top speed consistently or be reliable over time. But Rolls-Royce on other-hand is made to be reliable and to have its Peak-Performance up all the time. McLaren P1 can do 350kph but for short periods of time and then it has fall back to 250kph to be on working on acceptable levels. If it is pushed to 350kph for longer times it will break down. Now Rolls-Royce on the other-hand being limited to 250kph can run on its top speed all day long. Rolls-Royce is designed to be Reliable while delivering its Peak-Performance. McLaren cannot do that.
Similar to this Chinese phones are pushed to their limit which is not even consistent while not caring much of being reliable under longer period of stress or usage. But SONY on the other hand is made so that it delivers reliable and consistent performance and is truly reliable and meant to deliver the longevity we expect from it."
First, reliability and peak performance of a vehicle never goes hand in hand. It is limited by laws of physics. If you want reliability you have to give up peak performance and vice versa. So your statement of Rolls Royce is designed to be reliable while delivering peak performance is plain wrong.
Overall performance of a car can be broadly broken down to:
1) Aerodynamic Performance: Rolls may go at 250 kph max speed until the fuel tank runs dry, but it will do so only in a straight line. Even if the Rolls tries to take a turn at 100 kph it will fly off the road due to negligible aerodynamic down-force available. The McLaren on the other hand with fat tires and the rear spoiler at full tilt will bite the tarmac with both higher mechanical grip & down-force available. It will make a safe exit through the turn. McLaren is not only safer but also makes the turn. McLaren wins.
2) Vehicle Dynamics: There is no contest in vehicle dynamics, Mclaren wins through and through. With minimum ground clearance, extremely low center of gravity and mid engine based design allowing it to be close to 50:50 weight distribution. In hand feel of the steering wheel, agility will be on another plain when compared to the extremely heavy and under-steering Rolls Royce. McLaren is also the safer car as it will be more nimble due to superior vehicle dynamics & low weight. McLaren wins.
3) Acceleration: In terms of acceleration from a standing start the McLaren will leave Rolls Royce to dust. McLaren wins through and through.
4) Deceleration: With carbon ceramic brakes, twice the size that of Rolls Royce, Mclaren will not only stop faster but more importantly be much safer option. Even in the case of late reaction from a driver, the Mclaren will stop a lot faster and avoid an accident. Mclaren is safer and wins.
5) Top speed: Rolls may go at 250 kph max speed until that fuel tank runs dry, but the McLaren can reduce its speed from 350 to 250 kph and churn all day long. And at equal speed of 250 kph the McLaren is the safer car as it has increase it speed by 100 kph if required, it can declarative much faster, it is more aerodynamically efficient leading to low fuel consumption, more stable an predictable car at high speeds and above all a much more safer vehicle due to superior vehicle dynamics and use of carbon-fibre chassis. Mclaren wins.
A sports car like McLaren P1 as we found out is better on all above 5 points over a Rolls Royce. This is because McLaren is a much more technologically advanced car and I am not even considering its hybrid power-train which is more eco friendly. So McLaren should be the more performance oriented, safer and reliable car of the two when you consider both are running at same performance parameter. And the added peak performance advantage of McLaren is an added advantage. This the reason why we go racing with McLaren and not with a elephantine Rolls Royce.
So coming back to your comparison of McLaren representing a Chinese phone and Rolls Royce that of Sony .... we now know which is better and always wins. Or does it?
So I will repeat it once more... car and smartphone are different commodities and drawing a performance & reliability comparisons between them should never be made. Then others will bring up the performance & reliability comparisons between Boeing 407, Xperia 1 II & Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21.
RishiGuru, 16 Dec 2020"I really don't know what it will take you to understand that the simple rectangular... moreYou are wrong if you think cars and smartphones are too different to be used for cross comparison. See I am quoting this from your comment "You are talking about two companies catering to two different segments of people with different mindset and usecases" That is what I was trying to explain yo in last Few Comments. You did understand it but then you are not ready to accept it. Read my previous comments that is the exact thing I explain again and again and again.
What you saying about Rolls-Royce vs McLaren is exactly what I have been saying. See McLaren is meant for Burst of Speed but have to remember it is "Burst of Speed" you cannot expect the McLaren to Run on its Top speed consistently or be reliable over time. But Rolls-Royce on other-hand is made to be reliable and to have its Peak-Performance up all the time. McLaren P1 can do 350kph but for short periods of time and then it has fall back to 250kph to be on working on acceptable levels. If it is pushed to 350kph for longer times it will break down. Now Rolls-Royce on the other-hand being limited to 250kph can run on its top speed all day long. Rolls-Royce is designed to be Reliable while delivering its Peak-Performance. McLaren cannot do that.
Similar to this Chinese phones are pushed to their limit which is not even consistent while not caring much of being reliable under longer period of stress or usage. But SONY on the other hand is made so that it delivers reliable and consistent performance and is truly reliable and meant to deliver the longevity we expect from it.
That is what I said and that is why I compared to the specific cars that I selected. You literally repeated my point and then not accept it.
TheGoldenMellifluous, 16 Dec 2020Well, first things, thanks for the reply and elaboration. Sure, opinion to themselves and I ac... moreAdditional:
And I bet 1 III will even more segmented than ever if they eventually bring goods from their other professional divisions that casual users will be having a hard time elaborating. The concept, vision, targeting of Sony in new-gen Xperia was already spot on, and I don't think they will move the compass or barely moved, unlike what they did in 2016 or earlier. TechAltar tweeted this. The only I wholeheartedly agree with is about their marketing with you though. The last time they did it was Xperia Z5 times, 5 years ago. Sure, Taiwan and Japan got their marketing team back on league, but yeah, that's the only location they were aggressively doing it (Taiwan, Sweden, HK, and a fraction of Europe is Sony Xperia strongest market).
And Sony has stopped going to Samsung or Apple level anymore in terms of sales. Sure, it still maintains its "high-profit profit margin per unit" and 1 II was selling better, sometimes sold out, than the original 1, and with their Xperia shipment stabilized, I think Kenichiro did something this time, where they pursuing a profit, last seen in Q1 2017. But they never desire to be #1 in any condition, as their smartphones weren't its front-runner. PS, Home Entertainment, and Financial were. And for the Price-to-performance ratio, I never care honestly lately. I always buy second-handed Xperia since Z5, XZ 2016, and now XZ Premium. So 1 II I will purchase later be the same. Yeah, 1000+ USD phones are way above the sky, I know. But, even the "Chinese" OEM that know for P/P ratio, did it. Mi 10 Pro in Europe was one of them. A contrast from the Mi 9 series.