Vineet Reddy, 22 Jul 2020Yes that is exactly what I said.i'm pretty sure this is your quote:
Point is that SONY DAC and LG DAC(that is not dedicated DAC as what Dedicated DAC means is a complete external box containing DAC which LG or for matter of fact any Smartphone or Music Player has)
so perhaps i misread your point, but isn't that your point was anything that has not a a complete external box containing dac is not dedicated dac? so it has to be separate box?
Fearghast, 22 Jul 2020There is a description in that test ... It's not that hard and as I typed before, it... moreFirst I recommend hearing it and only then comment. You will be surprised how wrong you are. Again I recommend using Monitoring headphones or high end Audiophile headphones and you will understand what I am trying to explain. And most importantly just don't come to conclusion based on which one is able to push more power(volume), set SONY to 100% volume while LG to 80% volume and test.
Vineet Reddy, 22 Jul 2020That Test I don't know on what basis it was held. And by headphones if it means stock hea... moreThere is a description in that test ...
It's not that hard and as I typed before, it's not the only test that exists and shows the same results.
Good DAC on Sony phones are history, sadly they use Snapdragon DAC for ages now.
And yes, I am well aware LG botched AMP implementation - but even botched implementation is better than Sony.
Juan was on point.
Vineet Reddy, 22 Jul 2020That Test I don't know on what basis it was held. And by headphones if it means stock hea... morededicated dac, same stuff as discreet dac, it's just a dac section that not using onboard terminal which in this case is the soc. ever heard discreet vga? it's just a vga card, you're not using onboard vga. so most of digital audio player is using discreet dac, some of them even including digital output which transform those DAP as a tranport. some decent DAP have a pretty good dac and amplifier section in them.
dac consist of dsp+output, the analog output just as much as important as the digital processing section. i'm not sure how great the analog section on smartphone since it's probably not enough space to put a well design amplifier in there
Fearghast, 22 Jul 2020You could say I have more than just a decent headphones at my disposal.
Sadly, right now I ha... moreThat Test I don't know on what basis it was held. And by headphones if it means stock headphones included in package. It doesn't make sense. Anyhow I still recommend you to test it personally. I have tested both XPERIA XZ Premium and LG V40 using two headphones MDR-7520 and HD650 and I can say XPERIA XZ Premium beats LGV40 hands down. Juan said LG has Superior output compared to SONY which he is right and that is what I said in my previous comments(you can go back and check). I said LG has 20-25% more volume output over SONY. What I am comparing is the SOUND QUALITY and not the SOUND QUANTITY. Point is that SONY DAC and LG DAC(that is not dedicated DAC as what Dedicated DAC means is a complete external box containing DAC which LG or for matter of fact any Smartphone or Music Player has) for you I am tearing it down to basic stuff. Okay for you lets consider LG has Superior DAC than SONY then it is obvious that LG screwed up badly in AMP department. AMP effects how the signal output is handled and if there is added warmth then it may be(mostly at) AMP level. But when up we were discussing about DAC I(or both of us) were referring to inbuilt DAC+AMP setup into the phones. Even if LG managed to get better DAC chip in there it screwed up with the AMP no point of having great DAC chip if it is unable to output flat conversion it generates through headphones and adds color and looses detail. SONY on the other hand has a great DAC(okay lets say a notch down from LG) in pairing with equally good AMP(way superior in quality to LG AMP) which helps it output that flat conversion through the headphones without added coloration or loss of detail. As I said before I can get SONY DAC(DAC+AMP) to sound warm like LG using suitable headphones but I cannot make LG sound like SONY no matter how expensive headphones I use as the detail is lost at the output and not at the headphone level.
Yeah It is not as loud as others but it is extremely clear(in comparison to other smartphone speakers and not to headphones or even dedicated speakers) and that is what I said.
Vineet Reddy, 22 Jul 2020Do you have or can you borrow a decent pair of headphones like MDR-7506 under $100. Or Fidelio... moreYou could say I have more than just a decent headphones at my disposal.
Sadly, right now I have only V30 available .. and my Xperia 5 which I will not even bother to look for its adapter.
Anyhow it was reviewed and measured many times before so it's not like nobody can find the results .. I mean real ones, not just "I feel like":
That's for example, because I was lazy to find better test.
... even Juan came to the same conclusion that Sony is nowhere near LG headphone output.
Speakers clear sounding? Yep I agree, but less powerfull and incredibly tiny - but it's Sony, it's probably hardware design that went wrong and they are trying to "fix" it with Atmos.
Fearghast, 21 Jul 20202) LG uses real dac, much better sound.
Sony is not using any decent DAC for ages now.
3) No... moreDo you have or can you borrow a decent pair of headphones like MDR-7506 under $100. Or Fidelio X2HR around $100 or ATH-MSR7 around $200 or HD600 around $250 or HD650 around $300 or even better MDR-7520 around $300 or Hi-Fi Man Sundara around $350 or HD660S around $450 and list goes on. But just don't try ATH-M50x or DT770Pro as they are not as accurate and detailed as the ones I listed above.
Compare Both XPERIA 1 II against LG V60 or if you don't have access to them compare XPERIA XZ Premium to LG V40 and you will understand the difference. It is clearly noticeable and you won't have to put lot of effort to notice the difference.
Front Facing speakers try them out they are the most clear sounding ones available in the market.
Smithravi, 21 Jul 2020No amount of loudness can mimic front firing speakers. I'm not an audiophile but I can de... moreAs you can hear, even front facing speakers can sound incredibly tiny and only with Dolby turned on, they are decent .. yet others are often much better (like Xiaomi that actualy has something you can call a bass).
Sony should fire they guy that did the default tuning for speakers on Xperia 1 II ASAP.
Fearghast, 21 Jul 20202) LG uses real dac, much better sound. Sony is not using any decent DAC for ages now. 3) No... moreNo amount of loudness can mimic front firing speakers. I'm not an audiophile but I can definitely tell you that Xperia 1 II sounds lot lot better in real life than those recorded pieces on any website.
Vineet Reddy, 20 Jul 20201) Larger battery I was referring to XPERIA 1 II over XPERIA 1. I clearly mentioned XPERIA 5 w... more2) LG uses real dac, much better sound.
Sony is not using any decent DAC for ages now.
3) No, you get much better speakers out of ... lets say Xiaomi Mi 10 Pro 5G. Well we are on GSM, you can check it out yourself.
Xiaomi does not even need botched Atmos implementation to sound ... usable.
TSi Power, 21 Jul 2020I am answering to your comment just for your kind information brother, and Xperia 5 is not tha... moreI just said I want a bigger phone than my Xperia 5. X1ii is bigger than X5. I hope it's clear now.
TSi Power, 21 Jul 2020definitely it increases the size, 9:27 screen will increase the size also. but do you expect s... moreI don't mind carrying it around. All the flagships are that tall and even wider. So yeah it has pretty-much become a norm.
TSi Power, 21 Jul 2020I know that, but my emphasis is on sensor format. Since smartphones have already grown up huge... moreNo matter what aspect ratio you choose for the sensor the final out-put we get is a cropped version. 1" sensors great if the pixel count gets limited to 36/40MP otherwise no point increasing sensor size if the Pixel count also has to go up.
Vineet Reddy, 21 Jul 2020Cmon brother, You are answering yourself. He never said anything about it being wider did h... moredefinitely it increases the size, 9:27 screen will increase the size also. but do you expect such a phone screen?
TSi Power, 21 Jul 2020I am answering to your comment just for your kind information brother, and Xperia 5 is not tha... moreCmon brother,
You are answering yourself. He never said anything about it being wider did he. What he said is that XPERIA 1 II is larger than XPERIA 5. What you are saying is that it is not wider but it is taller. Being taller than XPERIA 5 makes it larger as the overall size increases let it be length or width, not compulsory to increase both ways to be qualified to be called larger.
Smithravi, 21 Jul 2020Sorry I also meant Lenses. Smartphones with limited lense and focul lengths can never reach ds... moreI know that, but my emphasis is on sensor format. Since smartphones have already grown up hugely and they are coming with even 5 cameras, 3 of them are just numbers and gimmick, why not we demand a classic format rather than 4:3 boxy sensors? there are already 1/1.3" sensors and they are aiming at 1" sensors, we can't resist them. but we can go for a better format.
BliTTzZ, 21 Jul 2020Not sure why are you answering to my comment. It is definitely bigger than Xperia 5. I am answering to your comment just for your kind information brother, and Xperia 5 is not that larger, it's just a tall and narrow phone. it's narrower than a 16:9 5" phone. please don't take it otherwise.