joe nodden, 04 Jun 2020My point is that only up to 2018 phones had 12MP sensors and only shot in 4K60. I'm not going ... moreYou have no idea what you're talking about.
Say, Sony's sensor is 1/1.7" but I get 4k footage in 10 bits from the WHOLE SURFACE, and with 3rd party software it can be up to 240mbps. Due to big pixel size I can shoot in darker environments and still get decent image.
Samsung is 1/1.3", and it's 108mp, but dude, you seem to have skipped geometry classes in your school, since because FULL SENSOR READOUT is ~100ms, you just can't use the whole surface for filming, so Samsung crops from the middle of the sensor, and it's already smaller than 1/1.7".
And when you shoot in 8k, it gets the 32mp from the middle of the sensor, which, compared to the whole 108mp, is less than 1/3 of the total surface. And you're telling me you'll get more detail. Are you serious? And the footage ain't even 10 bits, it's miserable 8bits.
You have been brainwashed, dude.
That's why people buy professional cameras for $200000 to shoot 5k and 6k from the whole surface of the sensor, because even $5000 Nikons still have to crop 8,6mp from the middle of their 40mp sensors to shoot in 4k.
Not much appreciation to the engineering as I see here. 4000mAh battery (Small? With Sony it's equivalent to Samsung 5000) with huge camera sensor AND a JACK inside such a compact body, 71.1 x 7.6 mm of wideness and thickness. I'm using and love the XZ1 7.4mm thickness but a bit hard to hold because of the rounded omnibalance design so this phone will be a whole treat to hold since it's boxy like the iPhone 4 and probably the upcoming iPhone 12
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saved, 03 Jun 2020i guess you choose to live completely isolated from any information that doesn't fit your brai... moreGo find me someone who would go for a free (so the price doesn't impact their decision, but there's a very good reason it costs more, one that you wouldn't accept, but I don't think I need to say what that reason is) A7S II over an A7R III, make sure they're both mentally stable, and not someone who literally only takes shots at night. So, an actual photographer.
"You seem to completely not understand any technology at all."
"remind me please how many people got i9-9999k CPU, 64gb ram and Nvidia 2080 to edit 8k video"
Oh god the irony. It's i9-9900k, or i9-9990xe, not i9-9999k. And Nvidia GeForce RTX 2080. Or RTX 2080. Or just 2080. Nobody says "Nvidia 2080". In fact if you actually knew what you were saying you would've just said a 9900k, 64 gigs of ram, and a 2080. As someone who's built the PC he's using to type this, and has been researching computers for years, that's how I'd say it. And pretty much anyone else with experience. There's a lot you can tell about a person from the way they type/speak.
"I admit, Xiaomi with 108mp sensor produces really sharp images" ok that's all you needed to say and the conversation would be over.
"Did you know why FF and Medium Format cameras rarely have resolutions over 40mp? Because nobody can make a lens perfect enough to resolve all these megapixels." Ok so you admit 40mp is practical. Not 12mp.
"I'm not going to do the work of finding youtube comparisons for you, but i've seen the 8k footage and I responsibly claim that any iPhone with Filmic in 4k can give better detail than samsung in 8k." What kind of person says they can ReSpoNsiBlY claim something, yet refuse to give the evidence that would prove that claim right/wrong. The only reason you won't find a comparison is because you know they don't exist. You know you've never compared them yourself, and that you have no clue what you're talking about because you aren't talking from experience.
"This is a complete gimmick" Then give the evidence.
"I will though say that LG's 8k video looks somewhat decent" ok that's also all you needed to say and the conversation would be over.
"These can afford and do buy Red and Alexa cameras that shoot only in 5k because that 5k gives perpixel sharpness, and just because it's a professional tool their 5k will beat samsungs 16k if the latter will ever learn how to do that." Oh it's just so predictable that you would also be a fanboy for RED. Y'know, them and their $50k incomplete (incomplete as in you have to spend several thousand more on accessories for your already $50k camera, a price that most photographers don't even make in an entire year) cameras that can just barely beat a $2.5k Black Magic Pocket Cinema.
saved, 03 Jun 2020>>tell us about 1/1.7" sensors with 10ms full readout that came out in 2018 and allowed ... moreMy point is that only up to 2018 phones had 12MP sensors and only shot in 4K60. I'm not going to get into 10ms readouts and EIS on top of OIS because all that involves processing power, not the sensor which is the point here. No duh the 865 is gonna allow for tasks that require more power. No duh the 2 year old 845 won't be able to handle it. Turn your brains on and maybe you'll be able to realize that.
Your only valid point is the 1/1.7" sensor, which current phones beat by a landslide. Like the S20 Ultra's 1/1.33" sensor. Even the nearly decade old Nokia 808 Pureview had a 41MP 1/1.2" sensor. Y'know why that hasn't been beat? Because there are more important aspects to a camera than that!
Anonymous, 03 Jun 2020I actually said 8k at 70mbps which is heavily compressed. And it was a question if that is wha... moreYou brought up the fact that I think 4K is useless on a tiny 6.5 inch phone. Then used that point of mine to make it seem like it's ironic that I think 8K is useful. Am I wrong? Was that not your intent? Because that's clearly how your reply came across despite the fact that a 65 inch TV has a hundred times the surface area. So 100 times the size, 4 times the resolution. You do the math.
And I already explained how you people's argument about the bitrate is completely terrible. For one, Samsung, apparently the only other company you people know, doesn't shoot at 70mbps on their S20 Ultra. It's 80. You were lucky I didn't call you out on that before, but then you just had to go ahead and bring it up again. Secondly, you people act like Sony's 90mbps is gonna look better when its at 60 fps. That's the equivalent of 45mbps at 30 fps in terms of visual quality. And literally only 36 at 24 fps. Meanwhile Samsung is at over twice that quality while at 4 times the resolution.
But lets ignore Samsung. Because like I said to the other guy, I've never said Samsung made perfect cameras. (Even though even they make better cameras than Sony) I prefer Xiaomi. The Mi 10 Pro shoots at over 100mbps. At 30 fps. So over twice the equivalent of Sony's 30 fps bitrate. While also being 4 times the resolution. (And don't even make me get into the argument about framerates. With films 30 fps is perfectly fine. The frames are made differently, I'm not gonna get into detail about it though unless you want me to destroy your point even more.)
Mr Telephone , 03 Jun 2020Try asking that question to the chief engineer (someone who knows more than you do). He'll tel... moreI don't recall ever asking a question in that reply. I only made a statement. Because I don't need to ask a chief engineer about it when I can see the results myself.
virus, 03 Jun 2020why are you still here?Same reason you are.
JetAsura, 04 Jun 2020the point is , thats china it wont last a month95% of the stuff you buy comes from China. China rules the world of manufacturing. Yet you think of their products as bad because on top of the best stuff being manufactured there, the bad stuff is manufactured there as well. You don't look at your good products and realize they were made in China because they haven't broken yet. Besides, what you don't realize is most of your Sony phone was manufactured in China. The phone itself may not have been put together in China, but the parts that could actually potentially fail if they aren't made right are from China. And they work.
Don't argue about something you have no clue whatsoever about. You don't know a single thing about manufacturing.
huh, 03 Jun 2020This phone's screen is 6,5 cm wide. My LG V30 display is 6,8 cm wide.
But: this xperia is 1,5... moreYour post made me go Huh?
6.5 cm diagonal is really tiny for a smartphone screen. Did you mean inches?
The Xperia 1II screen is 14.6 cm x 6.6 cm. The diagonal is about 16.6 cm. (6.5 inches about 16.5 cm)
Let me know the dimensions of your V30 screen. I'm curious.
Make sure to check your units next time.
huh, 03 Jun 2020This phone's screen is 6,5 cm wide. My LG V30 display is 6,8 cm wide. But: this xperia is 1,5... moreYes, it is called aspect ratio. I'm sure people with 4:3 TV's we're saying the same when 16:9 came along.
This phone's screen is 6,5 cm wide. My LG V30 display is 6,8 cm wide.
But: this xperia is 1,5 cm longer then my V30.
There are cheap phones
There are budget phones
There are midrange phones
There are flagship phones
And than there is sony Xperia 1 mkII
XA2, 03 Jun 2020Hi, been using Sony for very long time, had M2 (for ~4 years) very nice and reliable phone. De... moresony doesn't care much about non-flagship devices.
don't even try to compare flagships to midrange, it's like comparing Maybach to S120.
Flagships tend to get much more attention
Very costly and not worth the price to be honest.