TheGoldenMellifluous, 25 May 2020Still, discrediting the twice smaller 10nm process, more efficient, and far cooler Snapdragon ... moreNot over 20nm, just 20nm. And what you're forgetting is all these chips consume very similar power because Qualcomm doesn't just settle for better thermals and power consumption, they increase the clockspeed with that extra headroom which boosts performance, at the sacrifice of the energy efficiency gained.So the 810 isn't gonna make a meaningful difference in terms of battery life because the cores on the 835 are clocked about .425 GHz higher on average.
The point is, what you call heavy usage is just rarely watching 4K videos, and doing mostly stuff that switches the display to 1080p.
And no no no. Don't just compare this to a V12. Because that doesn't account for the fuel tank size. (battery) Let's compare it to the Bugatti Chiron. Because the Chiron's engine at full speed drains its 100 litre fuel tank completely in a mere 9 minutes. Similar to how the 4K display on the XZ Premium drains its battery very quickly. That is unless you switch it to 1080p. Just like how its different if you aren't using that 16 cylinder engine at full speed. Which begs the question, "Why would I bother buying this insanely energy hungry thing if I'm almost never going to use it at its best?" There's a reason nobody buys Chirons to daily drive. And it ain't a reason that has to do with money.
I know you're rarely watching 4K videos. Sony fanboy trying to avoid buyer's remorse.
joe nodden, 24 May 2020Yeah I know right, imagine taking a TV on the train.Yes, it is a masterpiece. Conventional display can't actually compare with this premium display technology.
joe nodden, 24 May 2020Hahaha and I'm sure what you call heavy usage is using what Sony sets that 4K display to 1080p... moreStill, discrediting the twice smaller 10nm process, more efficient, and far cooler Snapdragon 835 in Xperia XZ Premium (the 4K screen itself converted to 1080p resolution, but is still powering the 4K panel itself due to native screen on the component) over 20nm process, low efficient and highly heat Snapdragon 810 on Z5 Premium isn't reasonable at all. Sure, the bigger battery in Z5P, deeply aware. But, it turns out the endurance of XZ Premium was better than Z5 Premium. On XZP final update, the battery life for me turns out very efficient. This is not even mentioning Sony's battery management known for years since Xperia Z that become a miracle for XZ1 and Xperia 5. And I did often watch 4K videos on XZP, sure, there's that for you. You are allowed to despise XZP all you want, but that's not gonna change how I'm very satisfied with my XZP and gonna keep it running till 2022.
The same analogy for modern V12 supercars like Aventador S or Mercedes S600. Sure, you can deactivate the 6 cylinders on the motor to preserve gas inside those cars, but it's still powering the native V12 engine itself.
joe nodden, 24 May 2020Hahaha and I'm sure what you call heavy usage is using what Sony sets that 4K display to 1080p... moreIt appears that you only see what is an ideal smartphone for you and seem to struggle some what to understand that different people have different needs and prioritize different things. So 4k isn't important to you, that is fine, but try to understand that 120hz isn't important to other people.
Your theory that watching movies on a small screen in 4k is worthless is fine, but again having 120hz on a mobile may seem worthless to other people.
You don't like the phone, that's fine, but it almost appears that you are trying to convince yourself and everybody else that the phone is no good.
Just relax people can make their own decisions on what they want from a smartphone and pick accordingly. What smartphone do you use, out of interest?
many of us use laptops or home desktop screens with 60htz refresh rate, and then regarding phones, so all crazy with 120 (or lack of it)?
honestly, can you even tell the difference?
TheGoldenMellifluous, 24 May 2020I owned XZ Premium to replace my XZ and despite smallish 3230 mAh, the battery life is good to... moreHahaha and I'm sure what you call heavy usage is using what Sony sets that 4K display to 1080p in to save battery. (I think that's what they do, it's been a few years since I bothered looking into a 4k Sony phone so that's what I remember them doing with the Z5 Premium which had a larger battery)
[deleted post]Because there are certain things that smartphones do better.
Anonymous, 24 May 2020Battery life is actually fine. I have had one for 3 years and no complaints. As for bezels, we... more"Battery life is actually fine. I have had one for 3 years and no complaints." Ok hope you enjoy your 3 hours of daily screen on time.
"As for bezels, well some people like better looks on a phone others better screen." Yeah and if only the XZ Premium had the better screen. Y'know, an OLED one. Sure do love the inky blacks on my V30's 1440p OLED with tiny bezels. (In fact since that over 500 ppi display is such a high resolution, I keep it set to 1080p! (To save battery life of course, even with my larger battery))
"I will take 4k and bezels personally" Yikes your loss.
joe nodden, 24 May 2020Yes my point is that my 21:9 1080p LCD gives me a better experience. Because I don't have to s... moreThe problem I see is that what you say is true for everything, I would rather browse web on bigger monitor, gaming also, messaging better on full keyboard, movies as you said also. So why have a smart phone. The only good thing it can do is make calls and an Alcatel from 20 years back does that
Shanti Dope, 24 May 2020It's not claimed to be 120Hz, but Motion Blur Reduction gets it close to 90Hz, which is still ... more"It's not claimed to be 120Hz, but Motion Blur Reduction gets it close to 90Hz" No. Just no. Motion blur doesn't exist on displays unless it's artificially added. And "Motion Blur Reduction" sure as heck ain't gonna increase the refresh rate. Screen tearing exists, but the solution to that is called vsync, not "Motion Blur Reduction". And screen tearing doesn't cause any blur on the display at all. It's exactly like what it sounds like, part of a frame cut off by another frame.
"And it works better for saving more battery, as many 120Hz display phones are currently disappointing me with their endurance." Oh no no, those are terrible, but I'm sure your old 4K LCDs powered by a mere 3400 mAh cell in your old Sony phones were great, right?
"They don't make a difference, but it's an idea behind my point, that Sony's Motion Blur Reduction COULD actually provide real 90Hz smoothness." No. It's set to 60hz, so it looks like 60hz. It's as simple as that.
"Software magic can pretty much make everything impossible to be reality." You sound like those Chinese companies trying to market their cheap headphones as "surround sound" thanks to their terrible software adjustments that make them sound terrible, and no more surrounding than normal headphones.
"Motion Blur Reduction would lessen the amount of frame lag on 60Hz so that it could look less stuttery, which then gives off the impression of a 90Hz display." Congrats, you just described exactly what gsync and freesync do. Y'know, Nvidia and AMD's technology that they don't at all claim to make their 60hz panels look like 90hz ones. The same technology that my 75hz 21:9 1080p LG LCD has. Y'know, the panel that doesn't at all look close to 90hz.
"Or like I've said, they can actually enable the display itself to work in 90Hz (since it's a 120Hz panel after all) but in FHD only." Oh they could, (if they are 120hz panels) but they don't. It's as simple as that.
Anonymous, 24 May 2020That is the beauty of android, lots of options. I'm sure you play lots of games and there are ... moreYes my point is that my 21:9 1080p LCD gives me a better experience. Because I don't have to squint at a mere 6.5 inch display.
Vineet Reddy, 24 May 2020That had enough battery to get you through a full days usage even with continuous browsing and... moreSure. Especially when my V30 which just barely cut it for a days usage, also has hours more potential usage on a charge. I totally believe you. Unless what you call a days usage is from 1 PM to 8 PM. (Instead of 6:30 AM to 11:00 PM for me)
Anonymous, 24 May 2020Not sure what the other passengers will think about you taking a TV on the trainYeah I know right, imagine taking a TV on the train.
Anonymous, 24 May 2020Actually lots of people watch movies and series on a daily basis, on the way to work or whatev... moreI suppose on the way to work is the single excuse for that. So sure, I guess if you're someone who commutes to work for 2 hours daily, this is the phone for you.
"As for you prefer watching movies on your tv, well obviously yes, the same can me said about gaming on a proper 144hz monitor." I never said on my tv. I said "on my 29 inch 21:9 1080p LG LCD". What tv has those specs. It's obviously a monitor. The point I was making was that movies are best saved for anything other than a tiny phone screen.
"The point is I have my phone in my pocket and that is what I must use when out and about so that is why it is a perfect phone for my needs" So you're one of those people that commutes to work for 2 hours? If not I don't see why you would ever need a 21:9 not high refresh rate display. When do you have 2 spare hours to watch a movie uninterrupted while not at home?
joe nodden, 24 May 2020Get the XZ Premium and deal with terrible battery life and massive bezels? Yeah I don't think so.I owned XZ Premium to replace my XZ and despite smallish 3230 mAh, the battery life is good to great, getting me SoT of 6-7hr SoT in heavy usage, and can go beyond 10hr SoT in normal usage. We're not talking about standby here, that's one of Sony's biggest strength in battery management, where most OEMs had to take note for.
And for the bezels? Those bezels play a lot of roles in my convenience in ergonomics all the time, by putting and resting my fingers in the bezel without the worry of unintentional touching. And XZ Premium was developed during Z5 launch, 1.5 years before its release in 2017, so the bezel-less trend started around Oct.2016 didn't touch the XZ Premium.
By the way, I have nothing against this phone not having 120 Hz refresh rate. I think it is a good phone overall. I just find the thinking of some people here particularly interesting.
Lol who was bragging about Sony being the first to introduce phones with nonfunctional 120 Hz screens and now proclaiming that 120 Hz screens are useless? The hypocrisy is real.
It is a gimmick until Sony decides to implement it - Sony fans' logic
This incredibly smashing! The best! Of the best! This is what I have long aspect from Sony Excellent!
joe nodden, 24 May 2020Ah right I almost forgot people watch movies on their phones on the daily, more so than using ... moreActually lots of people watch movies and series on a daily basis, on the way to work or whatever and would call that normal use or a phone.
As for you prefer watching movies on your tv, well obviously yes, the same can me said about gaming on a proper 144hz monitor. But that isn't really the point is it? The point is I have my phone in my pocket and that is what I must use when out and about so that is why it is a perfect phone for my needs