Rushi9923, 22 May 2020The phone will launch in Japan tomorrow and the official price is 1120$ not 1200 euros.Gsmarena should just stop including the unofficial prices in the spec sheet, I don't know what's their problen with 1200, they did the same thing with the moto edge+ which actually costs 999$, and they don't specify the price of each version which makes people think in this example that this is in same range as the s20 ultra, while it have the same price as the s20+ 250Go version ( the official price when released).
Smithravi, 22 May 2020I take no offense in getting called Sony fanboy (though I'm a man now). I can proudly say I'm ... moreIt seems our perception of mobile phones and how we use them are poles apart. However saying that I respect your theory of sticking to one manufacturer and using their flagship smartphones for 4 years minimum. By sticking so long with a single handset, no mater how inflated the price is, at the end of 4 years you have very well got every penny back which you invested in the first place.
On the contrary I try to be as brand neutral as possible. I know sticking to one brand too long will make me love that brand because I am getting accustomed to their feature sets and the habit just grows. Next, everything else from other manufacturers seems bad. Its a physiological thing. Blind brand fans generally fall into this trap, as they go on using a specific brand mobile phones for ages and gets habituated to that manufacturer specific ecosystem unable to change later. So the tendency becomes not to change. I do not want to fall into this trap.
I find their are Sony fanboys, Samsung fanboys, LG fanboys, Apple fanboys. ....... all existing in their own space, very happy in their own loved manufacturer eco-systems. It proves all ecosystems are equally good and they are simply not able to get out of one and try another. I am one of those few who have tried all Sony, LG, Samsung, etc flagships and find all equally appealing. Hence I buy the best bang for buck phone by try to be 100% brand neutral. These sometimes leads me to Chinese flagships and I also find them very appealing. To each their own.
In the end what matters is being happy. If you are happy with Sony, love their innovations and their flagships, then nothing else matters. Be happy and be safe.
RishiGuru, 22 May 2020I smell a Sony fanboy. But their is nothing wrong with that. I also rather be one than not. Ho... moreWell, if you really care about your hard earned money so much then why did you have like around 25 smartphone? Reason to buy so much? Just were pushed to buy one due to??? Wouldn't it be better to buy a Smartphone for a premium price and holding it for 3 to 4 years then buying a phone half of the price and changing it every year, your case with 25 phones looks worse! The next part--- No doubt why Indian phones lost their stand in market to the Chinese phones and no doubt why in India the count of "Exploding Phones" are higher! You know I regret seeing Sony, LG, Motorola, HTC, Blackberry, Symbian and Nokia loosing their ground in this consumer (mobile) market. The technology would have been more versatile for now if they never disappeared. Same applies to nVidia!
RishiGuru, 22 May 2020I smell a Sony fanboy. But their is nothing wrong with that. I also rather be one than not. Ho... moreI take no offense in getting called Sony fanboy (though I'm a man now). I can proudly say I'm fan of Sony innovations as a brand.
Now coming to your raised questions, what you call 5% can be 80% for another. It is subjective. Good display, Accurate colours (videos,images,movies and games), camera manual, design aesthetics, no puncholes etc.,. these might be 5% for you but not for many including me. Minor details like no lag experience while using simple tasks (touch lags), water ip rating, microsd expansion, music app, seamless bleutooth connections... these are minor things yet annoying things in cheap mobiles. This is what I called user experience.
I have been using Sony Xperia for almost like morethan 8 years. I have used my friends mobiles samsung, apple iphone, realme, nokia etc.,,. Many features what they have recently added into their UI and made them wow, i have seen those features in Sony Xperia like ages ago. For example: Notification bar and in-built screen recording.
As I said, one must use the mobile for years and check other mobiles, only then you will notice the difference. I'm not arguing that 5 year old sony flagship is better than today's SD765 cheap mobiles from china. Of course today non flagship SD is more powerful than old flagship SD chips. Point is from the point of buying till you switch next mobile, one expects really nice experience. I'm not a fan of using multiple devices in short period of time. I would rather stick to 3 minimum years to a flagship than cheap mobiles. That's just me. I want that complete experience with no compromises (subjective, for you/gamers refresh rates could be high importance) for the whatever period I use that specific mobile.
Smithravi, 21 May 2020The difference is the experience. Using the features of Xperia during that period is what make... moreI smell a Sony fanboy. But their is nothing wrong with that. I also rather be one than not. However blind fanboy-ism can be devastating. I have owned smartphones from different brands. Both flagships & mid-rangers. In the android eco-system I have used Sony, Samsung, LG, Nokia, Motorola and many Chinese brands like Vivo, Oppo, Xiaomi, Realme Lenovo, Meizu to name a few. I maybe had around 25 smartphones till date. I sold many I did not like.
In the end of this long journey I have realized, no one mobile manufacturer is the best and very model of every make have some pros & cons. As a consumer being brand neutral is the best way to save my hard earned cash while being brand loyal I always end up loosing chunks of money. No manufacturer in reality cares for their fans (its a marketing gimmick, they only want more revenue), so why should I care about them. Better care for my hard earned cash. I also find a lot of Chinese phone haters here. And from their comments it is self evident they had never actually used a true Chinese flagship ever in recent years. However they go on commenting how bad they are. I just smile at how ignorant they are.
I am an Indian and we have the liberty to access many of their true top-tier Chinese phones. Smartphones are like daily vegetables here, 10 new models launched per week. All smartphone brands through out the world just goes on opening new manufacturing units and locally manufacture their phones. Hence phones are also very cheap and we are frankly spoiled of choices. India being a very price sensitive market, Chinese phones obliterate others. Sony for example is unable to sell phones here and they went back. It is not to imply they make bad phones, on the contrary they make great flagship phones. Just their pricing is not right for our country. The latest Chinese flagships are so good now-a-days, maybe 95% as good as a top tier brand like Sony at half the price. I am taking 5% difference in software only, as in the rest they are same and sometimes even better. By just loosing 5% of the total experience factor I maybe saving around $700. Good save and totally worth rather than be a blind fanboy and buy a Sony or Samsung Exynos version.
My comments are in no way to hinder your enthusiasm for Sony and to buy their latest flagship. I hope you get hold of one soon and share us some valuable feedback for others to buy.
The phone will launch in Japan tomorrow and the official price is 1120$ not 1200 euros.
Anonymous, 21 May 2020yea logically it's supposed to be like that,the hardware still alright for not really demandin... more"Supports android 4 or higher". Android 4 is 7 yrs old now. Thats even more backward compatibility support than I thought...
Well, I guess official 2 yr android mobile support is easily user safe 6 yrs in the future.
Xperia 1 II – clearer audio with Intelligent wind filter:
Xperia 1 II – effortless capture with Optical Steadyshot™
Photography Pro Full Pro Tips:
Program Mode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAz-xM7L6x0
Shutter Priority Mode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCqvxruy76Y
Practice Shooting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mpsg8laDZ2A
These are the small details Sony really understands and all other flagships segments fails. Headphones jack, MicroSD expansion, Manual mode (though design and other features are subjective)
Rameyuk, 21 May 2020True, but if I'm gonna use this mobile device for the next 3-4 years, that's equivalent to $40... moreThe difference is the experience. Using the features of Xperia during that period is what makes any product worth the money. Same can be said to 1300$ laptops and 3000$ cameras.
Telephone, 21 May 2020Sometimes its better not to update. Some drivers are more stable than others. So unless there ... moreyea i know. i still using old laptop and windows 7 and tablet from 8 years ago with i don't remember jellybean or kit kat os. not having much time trying apps on those tablet so no idea about compatibility, mostly just for watching video and browsing
Anonymous, 21 May 2020the problem would be the os. at most it'll only get 2 os updates, i'm not even sure about secu... moreSometimes its better not to update. Some drivers are more stable than others. So unless there is something in the update you need, you don't need update.
Processors do not degrade over time (does not get slower). So it should last a very long time as long as the programs are supported and does not require too much resources. Also Apple did slow older phones via software updates in the past. (Apple got fined)
Tann Hauser, 21 May 2020My phone model is 4 yrs old now. Havent had any OS, security or app support problems so far. E... moreyea logically it's supposed to be like that,the hardware still alright for not really demanding apps but for some reasons sometimes that's not the case. i don't play games on my phone so i don't have any problem with compatibility and stuff that, but i do sometimes do banking and make payment from my phone, most of the time just chatting and browsing. so when this kind of thing happen, perhaps there'll be next
Anonymous, 21 May 2020Majority of apps still support Android 2.3 and others.
Very few apps (almost none) which req... moreyou need to update your info bro
and for intel processors, pretty sure they released some patched on linux and windows, even windows 7 got that patches back in some years ago. that's why i said it's not about the hardware most of the time,it's the os, once they stop support, you're on your own
Anonymous, 21 May 2020the problem would be the os. at most it'll only get 2 os updates, i'm not even sure about secu... moreMajority of apps still support Android 2.3 and others.
Very few apps (almost none) which require you to be on absolute latest version.
Unless a group of hackers specifically target you using the security hole or vulnerability (if it exists) which is not fixed through a security patch, you have nothing to worry about. The likelihood of such a thing happening is 0.00001%.
So lack of security patches don't affect the end user in the real world.
Ppl and several businesses used Intel chipsets for years without issues despite the Spectre & Meltdown vulnerabilities. As I said, unless a team of hackers specifically target you exploiting that security loophole, you are safe.
Ppl continue to fall for marketing gimmicks where they feel if they don't have the latest security patch, they are vulnerable or worse the phone becomes unusable after 2 years. These are the same people that can be hacked using a simple phising link and they are worried about vulnerabilities in the system that are less likely a threat.
an, 21 May 2020you dont understand. Its 1200eur,its a car price in some countries,if you have ultimate price ... moreThe same can be said about any flagship. On others you pay 1200€ and don't get 4k. So it depends if you think high refresh is more important than overall sharpness. If you play games go for a high refresh if you watch films go for 4k simple. If Samsung and Apple can charge that price without too many complaints then so can Sony. Because depending on what's important to you they are all the best at something
Anonymous, 26 Apr 2020yeah, as it's turned out just from reading this page, some people want to have 120hz badly, if... moreyou dont understand. Its 1200eur,its a car price in some countries,if you have ultimate price you should provide ultimate feature,the main ultimate feature in 2020 is 120hz refresh rate. The 60hz screens is a 90's era,its not used even in 2002 military scope flir's.
Anonymous, 21 May 2020the problem would be the os. at most it'll only get 2 os updates, i'm not even sure about secu... moreMy phone model is 4 yrs old now. Havent had any OS, security or app support problems so far. Everything works.
Prior to this I had been using a model up to 5yr from release, same case, everything worked up until I got myself a new one.
So android updates or not after official 2 yrs of support, I assume one is safe in OS/security/app performance for 5 yrs after model release.
Telephone, 21 May 2020Moore's law curve is flattening. So it will take longer to see improvements in processing powe... morethe problem would be the os. at most it'll only get 2 os updates, i'm not even sure about security patch support on android, and then comes the apps developers, that most likely would stop their support of their apps on older generation android, for older popular apps they might prolong their supports but for some newest trending apps that might be a problem.the hardware might be good enough but once the apps stop working just because they don't support the older os, that might be a blow. this kind of things might worth to consider, some people care, some people don't.
android supposed to be open source so perhaps the community have some guidelines about all that thing,emulator perhaps, or updating os and stuff,patching security all those but i haven't research that much
Rameyuk, 21 May 2020Did you not watch the keynote speech when they announce Xperia 1 Mk II? They literally said th... moreObviously I didn't if I wasn't aware of a potential "Pro" version. Use common sense.
Also, as the other guy said: "Pro version wont even be sold as a consumer device, but as a proffessional video/photo tool in dedicated proffessional oriented stores only."
Rameyuk, 21 May 2020True, but if I'm gonna use this mobile device for the next 3-4 years, that's equivalent to $40... moreMoore's law curve is flattening. So it will take longer to see improvements in processing power and efficiency. The next Snapdragon may have 5nm. In the future, phones should still feel fast even after 4-5 years.