YogiBear83, 19 May 2020I dont stay on US side but chinese try to tell people that they produce hi-end electronics but... moreSo works for Europe and all World doesn't it ? What country has it's own production and owners of their companies are all from same companies. Machines are designed build and sold in this country and on those machines are done other production 100% from this country.
We just focus on China :) Not defending China as well me
What China does to electronics is pariable does not matter on what machines. Nobody can match them. Also they do make innovation themselves. I do believe companies like Huawei did not steal tech. Why 5G tech of Huawei is 3 years ahead of US tech since it's done on same machines for making codes and stuff ? Not all is hardware and that's main problem for US
Telephone, 19 May 2020I was just trying to agree with you.
Another thing to note. The VOOC is a proprietary technol... moreYes it does have proprietary charging.
But it also supports PD since it has a Qualcomm chipset.
So in absence of the VOOC charger, you can still charge with standard Qualcomm 4.0 charger albeit at lower 18W speeds.
Besides, the good things is that the 65W charger is bundled with the phone(they better do if they charging 1200 Euros) unlike Samsung where you have to buy 45W charger seperately with only 25W bundled in the box.
Anonymous, 19 May 2020
Since fast charging in early days was with increasing voltage which increased heat which in ... moreI was just trying to agree with you.
Another thing to note. The VOOC is a proprietary technology. Which means you will need to have a VOOC compatible charger with a supporting cable. For convenience, it would be better to have a standard charging system (such as PD). The thing i don't like about proprietary tech is that the company who patented the tech makes money off of it when smaller companies use it in their products. An example of this is Apples lightning connector. I have seen iPhone cables selling at a higher price than USB (micro and type c) from the same cable manufacturer.
Smithravi, 19 May 2020Coming from an anonymous name. Have some guts to put your Name first place before you speak so... moreThe above comment proves that you don't have any better comebacks or rational arguments to debate with or any valid links to prove your points.
Telephone, 19 May 2020How about this. I'm going to agree with you that OPPO has a good fast charging system with goo... more
Since fast charging in early days was with increasing voltage which increased heat which in turn plays the most significant role in battery degradation.
If you read the article carefully, when they say, traditional, it means without increasing voltage (the thing that used to exist on non fast charging phones).
But there is nothing traditional about the method as current is increased here which obviously wasn't the case with non fast charging phones.
JoelRaj-1002, 19 May 2020I've been watching this debate for so long and I don't really care nowadays to make people und... more"Everything is linked to maintain the temp of the phone (the claim of VOOC)."
Those claims have been verified during testing.
If you have followed the debate, you'll find links where Temps are proven to be in check with VOOC. While QUALCOMM quick charge and PD had higher Temps and consequently reduced charging speed in response as they use inferior charging tech which can't keep heat away.
I suggest you check out the Android authority links where they compare everything with in depth detail on how individual charging works,the software part, the materials used, the batteries used, the components, etc.
Most ppl here haven't fully read anything and simply assume Both QC, PD and VOOC is same thing. All your questions are answered there.
[deleted post]Coming from an anonymous name. Have some guts to put your Name first place before you speak so called "Facts". Using different VPNs and trolling a Smartphone is not how you call yourself rational. Go to Oppo thread.
Anonymous, 19 May 2020
Can you show me link where Oppo publicly admitted to battery degradation as you claimed? NOP... moreHow about this. I'm going to agree with you that OPPO has a good fast charging system with good results. But according to android authority, OPPO vooc uses a "traditional" method. Basically lower voltage charging. To me, traditional means old/ancient. Except oppo improved it.
People who want to use fast charging, will use it. People who don't will avoid using it frequently. This decision is up to the user. Simply use it, or don't.
[deleted post]I've been watching this debate for so long and I don't really care nowadays to make people understand the fact! Coz I have learned that once something is fed in human brain, it's hard for it to think apart from it. So, let's just make it simple- the much watts you introduce to an electrical system the much heat is generated. So, basically the 65W is going to bring more stress in your phone and battery to which eventually increases the temp. Now let's go to the next part- the phone, charger, cable and what else? Everything is linked to maintain the temp of the phone (the claim of VOOC). Now the other way around- as said before you can't stop the heat generated! Now, due to the 55W of power being introduced to the phone we are going to have an hotter components, battery, charger, cable, chips and even the case :p. Now to cool stuffs down the VOOC claims it lets everything cool down. Not gonna apply any coolant, no cold air blown, no air.... then how? They just gotta decrease the WATTS. AND IF THEY DO THEN IT'S NOT A FAST CHARGER ANYMORE! So how are they able to achieve this? For a better example-
You charge your phone with a 55 W charger for 5 minutes and the heat generated in joules goes rapidly high.
The VOOC algorithm, programming or whatever... say technology, comes to precaution and what happens then? They should decrease the Watts for at least couple of minutes to decrease the temp.
SO THE 65W wont be constant to call it something like supernatural (if you know what I mean). Any suggestions?
Anonymous, 19 May 2020
Can you show me link where Oppo publicly admitted to battery degradation as you claimed? NOP... moreThis comment proves that you are not in a state to think rational and arrogant. What I said is based on fundemantal science. I think you believe whatever a Company says without any authenticating real life Proofs. I have been loooking at your comments to other user where you simply unable to Digest the information and Graphs in the links provided. Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm not doing your dirty homework mate. If you really wanna find out Ultra fast charging degrades a battery or not, just use Internet. There are plenty of articles where it is proved fast charging degrades the battery in Long term.
Here i give you one Suggestion. Buy an Oppo Smartphone with 65W and use it for 2-3 years and come back here and share your experience.
Anonymous, 19 May 2020Ok. Oppo uses more advanced, faster tech, bigger battery which doesn't overheat, or degrade as... moreI personally don't care which phone you buy.
It's your money at the end of the day.
I simply can't digest ppl spreading misinformation about other brands including Sony.
Smithravi, 19 May 2020That Twitter nerd is the one who does real world Tests. Do you belive a chinese Company lab Te... more
Can you show me link where Oppo publicly admitted to battery degradation as you claimed? NOPE!
Can you give link where that Twitter nerd did real world test?
I gave you links where real world tests were done by Android authority where VOOC came out on top.
It's clear that you are a proven liar who has delusions of grandeur.
Take your fast charging causes battery degradation propoganda elsewhere.
Anonymous, 19 May 2020Where is the public statement? Any real proof?
Some Anandtech biased reporters Twitter claims... moreOk. Oppo uses more advanced, faster tech, bigger battery which doesn't overheat, or degrade as quickly so it lasts longer, Happy?
I will still buy the Sony over the oppo and I still believe Sony to be the superior phone and I also believe that the Sony will last 5 years if I need it to. I I also believe that the majority of the people on this forum think the same.
What shall we talk about next? Tell me what else is Sony overcharging and overhyping for that oppo does much better? Please feel free
Anonymous, 19 May 2020Where is the public statement? Any real proof?
Some Anandtech biased reporters Twitter claims... moreThat Twitter nerd is the one who does real world Tests. Do you belive a chinese Company lab Tests over real life Tests?? You ask for Proofs but you don't believe those Proofs. Good luck with your Obsession man.
No matter who says what, Li batteries will degrade over time with increased stress and temperatures. 65W will Always excerts more pressure compared to typical 10W or 20W. As I said Nokia,Sony, Apple are not stupid man. Wake up. People who buy These cheap mobiles Change their mobiles in 2 years. It is not biased. Reason why it makes sense to use this Ultra fast charging in These is fine but on a flagship mobiles I think, longevity is important over buy and Change.
Smithravi, 19 May 2020Oppo publicly said that their 40W degrades the battery to 70% capacity (Example1: 3500mah out ... moreWhere is the public statement? Any real proof?
Some Anandtech biased reporters Twitter claims?
You rely on twitterati for your info? Lol.
I rely on real world results and testing where Qualcomm quick charge being inferior lowers charging rate otherwise those Ancient charging tech phones might explode or Atleast degrade batteries. VOOC doesn't need to lower charging speeds since the technology keeps temperature in check even if you charge and use the phone at same time.
Again these tests have already been done in the Android authority link I mentioned earlier.
Real world lab test data or some twitter nerd?
Nick.B, 19 May 2020true! news is from last days. trump is so angry :( I starting to hate US just because of himI dont stay on US side but chinese try to tell people that they produce hi-end electronics but thats made on US, Europe and Japan machines and patents. They make good devices but too much copy.
Another wrong side is that chinese delay information about virus.
Iwamoto, 18 May 2020errr...it has stereo speakers and it's 4K, did you even check the specs? ;-)qHD screen is what P40Pro DOES NOT have
1200 x 2640 pixel
mate20pro 1440 x 3120 pixels
p40pro has MONO speaker. ;)))
Sorry fan boy
We have 3 huaweis but this does not make me BLIND for the reality.
mate40pro will fix all that I have big hopes
Nothing New, 19 May 2020Let's also hope for kirin 1020 after what happened to huawei with tsmctrue! news is from last days. trump is so angry :( I starting to hate US just because of him
Anonymous, 19 May 2020 The link you gave is not for smartphones, and is thereby not applicable as it is for complet... moreDoes it not seem strange to you that even oppo would admit to 70% degradation if it wasn't true. And if they admit to 70 it is probably more. Or do you think that admitting that their product will not last as long as the competition is part of their marketing strategy?
Telephone, 19 May 2020"...high currents induce higher mechanical stresses..." From 2019 (tested every method of char... more
The link you gave is not for smartphones, and is thereby not applicable as it is for completely different functioning devices, different discharge rates, different surface area, heat dissipation, etc.
Unless you have scientific studies done on fast charging in last 2-3 years on all smartphone brands, don't bother wasting your time.
I am pretty sure, you still haven't fully read about VOOC, have you?
Nor did you pay attention to the thorough testing of different fast charging tech pitted against each other. Those are the true real world results. Rest is therotical garbage.