Livius, 03 Dec 2017The phone looks very good , I really like it a lot and it still has dual speaker . If this pho... moreTheir cameras are great but their software optimisation/algorithm is rubbish until a later software update (usually). Nearly all OEMs use Sony sensors!
thin-bezels Sony? at last! same as with TV-sets Sony loved bezels for too long. But good time is coming, I suppose.
The phone looks very good , I really like it a lot and it still has dual speaker . If this phone really comes out , it will be very good but the only problem with Sony is that their cameras are very bad compared to other phones .
for me the spec is suparb keep it coming sony. But don't forget the EIS for selfei cam.
AnonD-206292, 02 Dec 2017I'll ignore certain topic like first phone or about Motorola as I don't any meaning in continu... moreMan nicely said.
But in present era like 80% of global population maybe more cant afford 600 eur phones everything cost more and more every year where sallary improves just by a very little i can say from here in Slovakia my country in heart of Europe.
Here people at average have 500 eur per month from which like 70% goes on living and other bills rest is for food clothes etc.
To the all rest you said it was interesting to read and i thank you for your research and time you did to check everything but as always ( water-proofing, Superior DAC, Stereo Speakers, Cooper heat pipe, 4K video recording with EIS or OIS, Optical Zoom, 4k screen, 120hz panel and what not )
I honestly can say Waterproofing is just a stupid add on which cost lot of money where if people are niot very clumsy will never need this feature anyway a water resistant cover from alliexpress for 2-5 eur do the same tricks for much less money. Superior DAC is another money hungry feature which 90% of global population never oproperly use. Most of the phones in present era have stereo speakers in case of Lenovo or Motorola phones Dolby Atmos is included. Cooper heat pipe is great and not many phones have it. My Lenovo Vibeshot also dont have this and i am heavy gamer and after more than 2 years the phone is excelent as it was when i bought it first time. Only i had to replace battery which is typical for me due to heavy gaming. 4k video recording sounds great but for a half price of a phone you can have camera which do much better. Anyway on a 5 inch screen a 4k resolution is useful as having laser sight on a slinger. Despite 4k recording will drain your flagship 3000 mAh battery in 30 mins from 100% to 0%. And trust me but naked eye will not see any difference unless you have same eye sight quality as eagles or so. Most of the phones in present era have EIS or OIS and almost any even a chinese ones have an optical image stabilization. And Razer phone is yet the only one with 120 HZ panel.
As typical from other companies no sae money on research or why to research something which other companies use over a long time period. Its called shared technology.
Like apple took wireless charging from Samsing Ip rating as well superamoled screens instead of retina display (typical for apple research of retina display cost too much and yet Iphone X cost 1300 eur despite of many shared tech where Apple saved a lot of money on research) 4k recording from Sony etc. As we know Z5 premium from Sony vere first mobile with 4k display and recording and as we know from its review at 4k resolution its battery drained in 20 mins when phone was used and in 40 mins when stands still. From then lot of things were improved but not enough to consume much less battery.
But what i am really trying to say most of these so called flagship features have no use because you either cant see the difference or the price is so high its useless to have it.
Like for example gorrila glass 5 on phone. When your phone drops on concrete you can have a gorrilaglass 10 or 100 it will breaks.
Phone with no gorrila glass at all but with a screen protector hardeness 10H or Panzer glass for 2-5 eur will be much cheaper and much durable display than phone with just gorrilaglass 5.
All or most features are just an beautiful illusion which sounds nice to have but can be covered for much less price.
Hope i said eough. Now try to judge me for my honest comments.
I like how they utilized the bezel-less display without giving up their signature Sony hardware design principles. Still has that "Sony vibe" which I love.
I also like how they didn't remove the 3.5mm jack, proves just how silly it is when people say OEMs removed the jack because of the large bezel-less screen.
If only they switched to an AMOLED panel though...
When i saw that it's under 150 mm, that it will have OIS and stereo speakers, i knew it will be mine. And then i saw the "Gorilla glass back panel", and ... It looks like it won't.
AnonD-441601, 02 Dec 2017Man some things you are right and huawei for example is probbably most expensive chinese compa... moreI'll ignore certain topic like first phone or about Motorola as I don't any meaning in continuing it any further.
Even though Apple, Samsung or Sony make their phones in China doesn't mean they have the same quality as Chinese brands. They have their own testing methods and quality standards. Its not like if Foxconn is making Xiaomi, Apple and Samsung phones in China they all will be of same quality. So the point that all phones are made in China and people shouldn't differentiate between Chinese brand vs Other global brands are invalid.
Information collection: I am not situated in USA so I can't comment on that. And I never said I am against data collection, all I said they should either notify the user about the type of data collection or ask for their consent.
Camera Quality : Lenovo Vibe shot maybe able to take decent shots but I don't see how it can compete with the likes of Galaxy S6 or other flagship of that year, that phone just doesn't have the hardware to be as good as S6. No EIS or OIS, aperture is F2.2 and SD 615 has DSP v50 compared to SD 810's V56 DSP so with all this I doubt vibe shot can take low light shots or even daylight shots as good as older top tier flagship phones.
You say people who use Chinese phone don't complain about camera quality? Well,they probably don't complain because they know what they are getting and it would be unreasonable to ask for image quality like Tier 1 flagship phones that cost twice as much.
Design: I only mentioned Apple because many Oppo phones including the most popular Chinese phone OnePlus 5/5T looks similar to Apple phone from behind. I don't like Apple design language so I naturally will not like the Chinese phones who copy Apple. 4k recording, water/dust proofing and AMOLED all are important and must have feature on phones, so I don't see why they should not be used by other brands; but when it comes to designing the phone it should not be copied blatantly IMO. It doesn't cost much to design a phone and even after that if Chinese brand will copy without any shame then I can't help but to hate it.
I looked all the phones you've mentioned Redmi 4X (which I believe you mean Redmi Note 4X), Oukitel, Doogee. I liked Doogee's design and even Oukitel looks better than many phones including some flagship phones. But that's it! I don't find any other reason to buy those phones while I have many reason to not buy those phones.
Oukitel's thickness and ineffcient Mediatek SOC that too low grade with older Nougat version and I can't get it serviced if it broke. Not to mention can't have smooth gaming experience.
Doogee Mix 2 again no serviceability in my country has inefficient Mediatek but still a decent SOC and no LED notification a big deal breaker for me and bad sounding speaker also I doubt it support the 4G band of my country. I won't call this phone a worthy competitor to even a 2 year old flagship phone but its definitely worth more than $200 its asking price.
All in all most Chinese phone are worth the price they ask but nothing more than that. They price there phone low by cutting corners here and there. HTC got boom sound pretty good camera and fast OS. Xperia get updated very fast and has efficient and extremely fast OS, dual speakers, most of the Samsung phone comes with AMOLED screen,best camera in the market and what not. Most flagships nowadays comes with cooper heat pipe which is needed for gaming. All of these are missing from the phone you've mentioned.
In the end you get what you pay be it a Chinese brand, Korean brand or American. $300 Chinese brand phone will get the work done and can be more than enough for most users but can't really give you all the features of a $600 flagship phones ( water-proofing, Superior DAC, Stereo Speakers, Cooper heat pipe, 4K video recording with EIS or OIS, Optical Zoom, 4k screen, 120hz panel and what not ) and even if they have some of the features they will not be of the same quality.
If it right that it has 18:9 screen, it will be the first time they touch xperia launcher. Since 2014 they only copy pasting the ui. All phones has ui that set at 1080p, even 4K phone has 1080p ui.
Adorable design, originality, incredible camera, but when get problem almost dead end. Poor after sales (in my country). But mine (Xperia SP) still working till now, the only problem is 'old'
AnonD-441601, 02 Dec 2017Maybe but their era is gone.
Now as always they sell higly expensive devices at lacks of qua... moreLacking quantity and quality. Mine was dead bcz of mainboard failure after 2 months of use.
In the past st timescape era, they re really good, everything get worse since original Z. Always left behind, and only make small improvement, all the improvement are all come from shared tech from TV division, game division, camera division, but UI and device quality never improve.
AnonD-481725, 02 Dec 2017Can't believe that you are still worshipping Chinese smartphones over precisely all Sony mobil... moreMan i dont. Had Sony phone for 2 and half year past times and cost me 500 eur. From a 500 eur U8i vivaz i was expecting a lot but phone failed and failed 20 times i had to sent to to repairs over 2 years when i can claims my guarantee my GF got same phone on Xmas and her phone went 7 times on repairs over a 2 years of period. From then Sony brand fall deep in my eyes.
Now have Lenovo Vibeshot almost from release date for over 2 years it never failed never went to reopairs and only i had to replace was battery because i am heavy gamer.
Despite that phone looks like brand new because i care of my phone.
My GF got Lenovo X3 on Xmas i bought day it has been first time on sale in my country. And still works as a brand new phone. So i can highly doubt times when so called top brands were really top. In present era i can say a chinese models are equally same in quality and lenght of use as any other brands but for much less price.
AnonD-206292, 02 Dec 2017Even though you maybe able to buy 2 chinese brand phone for a price of one tier 1 flagship pho... moreMan some things you are right and huawei for example is probbably most expensive chinese company. Where their top phone Huawei mate 10 porche design cost more than Apple X. But even an apple is made in china. Try to guess how much could cost apple phone made by US assemblers where a standart hourly pay for an US worker is like 9 dollars per hour. Well i tell you truth. Iphone 4 could cost equally same like present X. And present X could cost enough to buy a sportscar or a flat.
Yes Dynatac was first anmd it was motorola. Time flew and people from motorola began to run own Companies because they wanted money and earn a lot so their families could live in prosperity forewer or until money will have a value.
Its like era when Henry Ford unveiled his model T. Cars were before but werent affordable to population because their price was affordable only for royal families or people which represented a whole country.
About the collecting info maybe you are right but this happens for every brand. Maybe you dont know but in US is specialy millitary company which monitors 99% of global population i mean calls and messages due to possible terrorism. Well thats said but noone sees their cards so noone knows if they dont monitor anything else. Total Information Awareness" program (TIA) for your information.
About the camera Issue thats only your oppinion i am having a Lenovo Vibeshot almost from his release date it costed me 400 eur now brand new cost like 220 i can tell you its not a true. Many my customers using chinese phones and not many came for claims with camera or other issue.
I am selling cell phones and accesories in my country for many years and honestly i can say chinese phone for half price are equally good as 2-3 times more expensive flagships you would say.
I can assume or understand that you will not trust me but i know what i am saying and i can prove that.
About phone looking why you mentoided apple? Did you know they took 4k recording from Sony? Or Amoled screen from Samsung? IP67-68 also from Samsung etc. Iphone werent first to make a wirelles charger. They copied as much as its not healthy for this brand.
Most of the ophones are unique on their own. Design its not everything.
Xiaomi 4x is a good example for less than 200 eur you can have a really excellent device for a reasonable price. And thats not only xiaomi.
Oukitel K10000 pro or Oukitel K10000 max are also another phones i would select over Samsung for example because for 210 or 240 eur depends on model you have a phone worth every penny (check them and be surprised) despite is so much china that it doesnt exist even on this site. Cubot or Doogee are simillar examples of a brand.
To last set of words you said you are right present phones are unique on their own but they all come from Dynatac. But with much mre features than phones had 40 years ago.
Anonymous, 02 Dec 2017Sony is second to non from that region, period!!! Maybe but their era is gone.
Now as always they sell higly expensive devices at lacks of quantity.
Samsung does the same but in high quantity and poor quality.
In past times Sony was great then they unveiled Playstation and so.
But in present era its just a very expensive competitor who loosing customers due to lot of chinese brands where they cant cope with their price and almost same quality.
For example xiaomi bitten like 1/3 of full cake where full cake is all customers worldvide which bought phone over a 1 year period.
People got clever these days and know that the same much cheaper phone from china have equaly same specs and stats like 2-3 times more expensive samsung sony or Iphone and do the same tricks. And all money they saved could be used somewhere else. For example on hollidays or paying family bills etc.