When i saw that it's under 150 mm, that it will have OIS and stereo speakers, i knew it will be mine. And then i saw the "Gorilla glass back panel", and ... It looks like it won't.
AnonD-441601, 02 Dec 2017Man some things you are right and huawei for example is probbably most expensive chinese compa... moreI'll ignore certain topic like first phone or about Motorola as I don't any meaning in continuing it any further.
Even though Apple, Samsung or Sony make their phones in China doesn't mean they have the same quality as Chinese brands. They have their own testing methods and quality standards. Its not like if Foxconn is making Xiaomi, Apple and Samsung phones in China they all will be of same quality. So the point that all phones are made in China and people shouldn't differentiate between Chinese brand vs Other global brands are invalid.
Information collection: I am not situated in USA so I can't comment on that. And I never said I am against data collection, all I said they should either notify the user about the type of data collection or ask for their consent.
Camera Quality : Lenovo Vibe shot maybe able to take decent shots but I don't see how it can compete with the likes of Galaxy S6 or other flagship of that year, that phone just doesn't have the hardware to be as good as S6. No EIS or OIS, aperture is F2.2 and SD 615 has DSP v50 compared to SD 810's V56 DSP so with all this I doubt vibe shot can take low light shots or even daylight shots as good as older top tier flagship phones.
You say people who use Chinese phone don't complain about camera quality? Well,they probably don't complain because they know what they are getting and it would be unreasonable to ask for image quality like Tier 1 flagship phones that cost twice as much.
Design: I only mentioned Apple because many Oppo phones including the most popular Chinese phone OnePlus 5/5T looks similar to Apple phone from behind. I don't like Apple design language so I naturally will not like the Chinese phones who copy Apple. 4k recording, water/dust proofing and AMOLED all are important and must have feature on phones, so I don't see why they should not be used by other brands; but when it comes to designing the phone it should not be copied blatantly IMO. It doesn't cost much to design a phone and even after that if Chinese brand will copy without any shame then I can't help but to hate it.
I looked all the phones you've mentioned Redmi 4X (which I believe you mean Redmi Note 4X), Oukitel, Doogee. I liked Doogee's design and even Oukitel looks better than many phones including some flagship phones. But that's it! I don't find any other reason to buy those phones while I have many reason to not buy those phones.
Oukitel's thickness and ineffcient Mediatek SOC that too low grade with older Nougat version and I can't get it serviced if it broke. Not to mention can't have smooth gaming experience.
Doogee Mix 2 again no serviceability in my country has inefficient Mediatek but still a decent SOC and no LED notification a big deal breaker for me and bad sounding speaker also I doubt it support the 4G band of my country. I won't call this phone a worthy competitor to even a 2 year old flagship phone but its definitely worth more than $200 its asking price.
All in all most Chinese phone are worth the price they ask but nothing more than that. They price there phone low by cutting corners here and there. HTC got boom sound pretty good camera and fast OS. Xperia get updated very fast and has efficient and extremely fast OS, dual speakers, most of the Samsung phone comes with AMOLED screen,best camera in the market and what not. Most flagships nowadays comes with cooper heat pipe which is needed for gaming. All of these are missing from the phone you've mentioned.
In the end you get what you pay be it a Chinese brand, Korean brand or American. $300 Chinese brand phone will get the work done and can be more than enough for most users but can't really give you all the features of a $600 flagship phones ( water-proofing, Superior DAC, Stereo Speakers, Cooper heat pipe, 4K video recording with EIS or OIS, Optical Zoom, 4k screen, 120hz panel and what not ) and even if they have some of the features they will not be of the same quality.
If it right that it has 18:9 screen, it will be the first time they touch xperia launcher. Since 2014 they only copy pasting the ui. All phones has ui that set at 1080p, even 4K phone has 1080p ui.
Adorable design, originality, incredible camera, but when get problem almost dead end. Poor after sales (in my country). But mine (Xperia SP) still working till now, the only problem is 'old'
AnonD-441601, 02 Dec 2017Maybe but their era is gone.
Now as always they sell higly expensive devices at lacks of qua... moreLacking quantity and quality. Mine was dead bcz of mainboard failure after 2 months of use.
In the past st timescape era, they re really good, everything get worse since original Z. Always left behind, and only make small improvement, all the improvement are all come from shared tech from TV division, game division, camera division, but UI and device quality never improve.
AnonD-481725, 02 Dec 2017Can't believe that you are still worshipping Chinese smartphones over precisely all Sony mobil... moreMan i dont. Had Sony phone for 2 and half year past times and cost me 500 eur. From a 500 eur U8i vivaz i was expecting a lot but phone failed and failed 20 times i had to sent to to repairs over 2 years when i can claims my guarantee my GF got same phone on Xmas and her phone went 7 times on repairs over a 2 years of period. From then Sony brand fall deep in my eyes.
Now have Lenovo Vibeshot almost from release date for over 2 years it never failed never went to reopairs and only i had to replace was battery because i am heavy gamer.
Despite that phone looks like brand new because i care of my phone.
My GF got Lenovo X3 on Xmas i bought day it has been first time on sale in my country. And still works as a brand new phone. So i can highly doubt times when so called top brands were really top. In present era i can say a chinese models are equally same in quality and lenght of use as any other brands but for much less price.
AnonD-206292, 02 Dec 2017Even though you maybe able to buy 2 chinese brand phone for a price of one tier 1 flagship pho... moreMan some things you are right and huawei for example is probbably most expensive chinese company. Where their top phone Huawei mate 10 porche design cost more than Apple X. But even an apple is made in china. Try to guess how much could cost apple phone made by US assemblers where a standart hourly pay for an US worker is like 9 dollars per hour. Well i tell you truth. Iphone 4 could cost equally same like present X. And present X could cost enough to buy a sportscar or a flat.
Yes Dynatac was first anmd it was motorola. Time flew and people from motorola began to run own Companies because they wanted money and earn a lot so their families could live in prosperity forewer or until money will have a value.
Its like era when Henry Ford unveiled his model T. Cars were before but werent affordable to population because their price was affordable only for royal families or people which represented a whole country.
About the collecting info maybe you are right but this happens for every brand. Maybe you dont know but in US is specialy millitary company which monitors 99% of global population i mean calls and messages due to possible terrorism. Well thats said but noone sees their cards so noone knows if they dont monitor anything else. Total Information Awareness" program (TIA) for your information.
About the camera Issue thats only your oppinion i am having a Lenovo Vibeshot almost from his release date it costed me 400 eur now brand new cost like 220 i can tell you its not a true. Many my customers using chinese phones and not many came for claims with camera or other issue.
I am selling cell phones and accesories in my country for many years and honestly i can say chinese phone for half price are equally good as 2-3 times more expensive flagships you would say.
I can assume or understand that you will not trust me but i know what i am saying and i can prove that.
About phone looking why you mentoided apple? Did you know they took 4k recording from Sony? Or Amoled screen from Samsung? IP67-68 also from Samsung etc. Iphone werent first to make a wirelles charger. They copied as much as its not healthy for this brand.
Most of the ophones are unique on their own. Design its not everything.
Xiaomi 4x is a good example for less than 200 eur you can have a really excellent device for a reasonable price. And thats not only xiaomi.
Oukitel K10000 pro or Oukitel K10000 max are also another phones i would select over Samsung for example because for 210 or 240 eur depends on model you have a phone worth every penny (check them and be surprised) despite is so much china that it doesnt exist even on this site. Cubot or Doogee are simillar examples of a brand.
To last set of words you said you are right present phones are unique on their own but they all come from Dynatac. But with much mre features than phones had 40 years ago.
Anonymous, 02 Dec 2017Sony is second to non from that region, period!!! Maybe but their era is gone.
Now as always they sell higly expensive devices at lacks of quantity.
Samsung does the same but in high quantity and poor quality.
In past times Sony was great then they unveiled Playstation and so.
But in present era its just a very expensive competitor who loosing customers due to lot of chinese brands where they cant cope with their price and almost same quality.
For example xiaomi bitten like 1/3 of full cake where full cake is all customers worldvide which bought phone over a 1 year period.
People got clever these days and know that the same much cheaper phone from china have equaly same specs and stats like 2-3 times more expensive samsung sony or Iphone and do the same tricks. And all money they saved could be used somewhere else. For example on hollidays or paying family bills etc.
Recp, 01 Dec 2017Sony is the bestYou saying that because you never had any other phone.
Man past times had U8i vivaz which was best phone on the market from Sony. Paid 1000 eur for 2 phones one for me one for my girlfriend as Xmas present.
You know what? After 2 weeks it went to repair touch screen frozen.
After next month same issue again. Over 2 years as lasted my guarantee phone went to repair almost 20 times with same issue. And they 3 times gave me new device.
When my guarantee ended phone was forking next 3 months then frozen for good.
Thats to your Sony phones. My GF had same problem but her phone went for repairs 7 times in 2 years and once she got a new device. From then i forgot there is Sony company.
When you get a top model you expect best possible and not 20 repairs in 2 years on a 500 eur phone. All to my experience.
This is just a rumored I believe this will be a HUGE BREAK for Sony!
AnonD-441601, 01 Dec 2017Man wake up. Sony is replika as well. Motorola was first phone and from year of 1978 when mo... moreCan't believe that you are still worshipping Chinese smartphones over precisely all Sony mobiles, it feels like it is a business for you.
Bagas Satya, 02 Dec 2017True, its only about time he will buy chinese phone, and find that everything is better. ThreeI'd rather use a dumb phone 3310 than a new china replika brand.
But you go ahead.
Just because you can't afford a Sony doesn't mean others don't.
AnonD-441601, 01 Dec 2017Man wake up. Sony is replika as well.
Motorola was first phone and from year of 1978 when mo... moreEven though you maybe able to buy 2 chinese brand phone for a price of one tier 1 flagship phone (though I doubt that) and it maybe last you a bit longer but you'll never get the same user experience as those from the tier 1 brands like Sony (though I admit OnePlus has pretty good OS implementation).
Chinese brand either don't update phone regularly and it they do they are pretty much only on older Android versions.
Also I've heard some chinese brand collect info from your phone for enriching user experience and sends to some server in china or other country . Though their is a option to stop data collection, situated deep in settings menu; I don't like how they keep it enabled out of the box and without users consent (OnePlus I am looking at you).
Then there comes the camera department where pretty much all of chinese brand lag except maybe Huawei. But then again Mate 10's almost cost as much as tier 1 brand phone, so why bother with chinese brand ?.
Also when I buy Android phone I would prefer my phone does not look like iPhones from behind ( OnePlus and Oppo I am looking at you ). Some brand do make their original design, but at the same time they are expensive so why bother or them instead of top brands ?.
Lastly, today's phone are not the replica of Motorola's first phone "Dynatac 8000x". That thing weigh over 0.5kg and today's phone weigh less, far exceed in features so there is no way that today's phones are replica. All they have in common is the fact that they both can communicate through audio wirelessly.