xXENDER FREAKXx, 20 Dec 2017During the Z series lineup Sony can be said as the top 3rd best smartphone manufacturer. Years... moreIn terms of recommendation, yes they are certainly way down the list. At least in the flagship space, certain areas or the market show as being somewhat more favourable to Xperia devices.
That is to say they do ok in the mid tier with the likes of their XA series, in often see reviews of mid tiers devices where the reviewer will mention the XA1 say as an alternative.
The 'Compact' series all but recommended themselves as they are pretty much the only game in town for high power smaller handsets.
Flagships though, if you look at the mainstream flagship segment then virtually no one will point to an XZ, XZs or XZ1 as their recommended choice.
The 'Premium' line barely fares any better, yes I see a few caveated recommendations here and there, but they always fall along the reasoning lines of 'only get this device if that 4 screen is a must....'
Personally (and im sorry to keep coming back to it) but I personally feel this is largely do to the camera experience. Put a Pixel 2 quality camera and intuitive ui on the XZ1 and XZP and I think the recommendations would come far easier.
Sony have pretty much everything else right, just one last piece of the puzzle.........
Lex79, 20 Dec 2017Exactly, point and shoot is the smartphone camera's raison d'être. Manual mode is meant ... moreDuring the Z series lineup Sony can be said as the top 3rd best smartphone manufacturer. Years past, now they are right at almost the bottom of the list when someone recommend high-end flagships to someone else, most wouldn't recommend not because of the bezels, it is because of the unconsistency of the camera. And this is why I always say they need to do something with their camera, image machine learning is always a welcome
Anonymous, 19 Dec 2017Isnt that strange that they manufactured the camera sensor of other brand and yet other people... moreI'd certainly speculate that it has something to do with it. A high MP count on a relatively small sensor with (what is now considered) a relatively slow aperture is going to be difficult to get good results out of across a range of conditions.
In some conditions the XZ delivered spectacular results, but it was unreliable and vastly inconsistent.
Put it this way, if you have bright clear sunlight and a static image, then the XZ could trade blows with any of them, for pretty much any other circumstances, you can get better (with less effort) out of the best of the competition.
daimon, 19 Dec 2017agree. sony has to redisign its xperia camera. there are too many complaints about it especial... moreThey need to do something, Sony's camera experience doesn't get much love outside of fanboy praise, with good reason I would say.
But it's Sony, if they wanted to step up their game and match the current best, they could easily do so.
xXENDER FREAKXx, 20 Dec 2017Agreed. The new Manual Mode on my newer ones can handle low-light better than previous ones, b... moreExactly, point and shoot is the smartphone camera's raison d'être. Manual mode is meant to be an optional supplement, not a necessary replacement for auto mode picture taking.
If rumours are to be believed we may be seeing a radical change in Sony's approach to the camera hardware in 2018. I get and appreciate why you want to stay with the high MP approach, but I for one would be interested to see what Sony can do coming for a different perspective.
Like I have said repeatedly, the camera setup is my last gripe with the Xperia line, if so then can replicate what Good have achieved with the Pixel camera, then I would be more than willing to give another Xperia a go.
king xperia, 20 Dec 2017Your welcome, buddy. Now that's being honest. Unlike some invaders, haters and paid critics al... moreIn other words you like what is said, so you equate that with honesty.....hmm
And what are they welcome for, what did you do for them?
Norchan, 19 Dec 2017Sony products are very high quality, such an honor to have this phone. Your welcome, buddy. Now that's being honest. Unlike some invaders, haters and paid critics all over this place. Just unbelievable, whose place reek of sony haters.
Lex79, 19 Dec 2017That's your opinion and you are perfectly entitled to it. My own opinion is more that the main... moreAgreed. The new Manual Mode on my newer ones can handle low-light better than previous ones, but it still cannot handle noise that good. I mean like seriously, u can't have everyone use the Manual Mode, some just want to point and shoot, if Sony have the kind of machine learning image solution found in Google's current smartphones, I would be impressed, since I want Sony to keep the megapixel count as high as possible. I know currently other brands are reducing the megapixel count to 12MP for better low-light photos, but they are missing out on detail. My wish is that one day some brand (I expect Sony to do it first though) have some super intelligent image learning processing paired with high megapixel count that only produces noise like current 12MP smartphone cameras produce. That will require much more effort in making the software more than the ones with lesser megapixels. But if Sony wants to do that, they have to put in more effort in the software to make it work
I have XZ1 and my girlfriend has S8. None of them is better, are just different phones with different approaches! For me XZ1 built quality is a jewelry as its the best I have ever touched, I like better the blacks on my XZ1 than S8 but S8 bezless screen is awesome! XZ1 on the other hand its faster, and I mean the fealing that you get is a super fast phone! The sound is ...no comment, best stereo on smartphone! Some issues with Oreo but I think they will be fixed. Finally S8 takes better pictures and faster, I dont no why but they are better!
Lex79, 19 Dec 2017That's your opinion and you are perfectly entitled to it. My own opinion is more that the main... moreagree. sony has to redisign its xperia camera. there are too many complaints about it especially the automode and low light. i hope 2018 flagship will finally solve this issue
Lex79, 19 Dec 2017That's your opinion and you are perfectly entitled to it. My own opinion is more that the main... moreIsnt that strange that they manufactured the camera sensor of other brand and yet other people says that other brand could take better photos, when I visit their site, they said that they use their best sensor on xz1. Probably the only downfall of their sensor is the aperture which is f/2 unlike others who use bigger aperture. I want to have this product. For me Sony Xz1 is still the best there is in the market
Anonymous, 19 Dec 2017The only cons I see on Sony is not the product but lack of advertisement for their product. Gr... moreThat's your opinion and you are perfectly entitled to it. My own opinion is more that the main (perhaps even now the only) 'con' in the Xperia line has been and remains the camera implementation.
I have used a multitude of devices from different OEMs, and both the Xperia camera ui and the results offered are inferior to the best I have used, by my reckoning.
That opinion is also shared by many professional tech reviewers who rarely (if ever) list Xperia devices as the recommendation for smartphone camera solutions.
Until Sony go back to the drawing board regarding their smartphone camera philosophy, I'll remain unimpressed.
Anonymous, 19 Dec 2017You are one of the neutral (unbiased) sony fanboys I've ever met in gsma.
You said bad if it ... moreCheers and thank you, though I'm sure that's the first time I've ever been called a sony fanboy :)
I only ever try to call it as I see it, praise what's good and call out what's bad. Apparently though there are some that feel this board should operate on the premise of 'always say only good things about Sony'.
Pretty sure if that were to be the case then GSMarena would have called it the compliments section , not the opinions section.
Lex79, 19 Dec 2017Oh I completely agree with you. Though in order to not risk being dismissively labelled a bash... moreThe only cons I see on Sony is not the product but lack of advertisement for their product. Great phone like xz1 should be known by everyone and their should be a variety of case that should be available to conserve the beauty of this phone.
Once again, Sony embracing the competitors, the Google pixel 2 xl "the flagship smartphone of the Google company itself" being humiliated by Sony in software optimization battle.
Sony products are very high quality, such an honor to have this phone.
Anonymous, 19 Dec 2017Every brand has its pros and cons and sometime its just the name of the brand that makes it ex... moreOh I completely agree with you. Though in order to not risk being dismissively labelled a basher or hater, you might have said instead:
"Every brand has pros and cons, except Sony they have only pros....and for other brands it's mostly (almost exclusively) cons"
But you've put it out there, so your gonna have to take your chances :-)
Lex79, 19 Dec 2017Thank you. I actually am very fond of Sony as a brand, I grew up in a world where there we... moreEvery brand has its pros and cons and sometime its just the name of the brand that makes it expensive.
mischa, 18 Dec 2017The XZ1 only has a newer processor but the 20-month old S7 is still better than this phone.Ok can, everyone knows u are a SAMSUNG fanboy, and I know u like SAMSUNG a lot, but please don't be such an immature human being
Lex79, 19 Dec 2017Thank you.
I actually am very fond of Sony as a brand, I grew up in a world where there we... moreYou are one of the neutral (unbiased) sony fanboys I've ever met in gsma.
You said bad if it is bad, and you said good if it is good.
Unlike most other sony fanboys who always try to hide all sony's weaknesses.
We (Ex and Non sony users) need you. Please keep writing your comments in sony's articles, because we don't want to be fooled by most other fanboys.