Anonymous, 21 Dec 2017the reason i asked about dxo is because long time ago he (someone i replied in my previous pos... moreWeren't you the same guy who used to refer to DxOMark as rubbish and now you are relying on it, instead of being surprised of that guy mind changing why you aren't surprised of DxOMark protocol sudden massive change?? IPhones from the dust to the top, Sony from the top to the dust because it suits now.
DxOMark scores been rubbish since last year, and before the xz premium, Galaxy s8 scored lower than the s7 while the s8 is way step ahead from the rubbish camera of the s7.
The only smartphones which had fair scores are only Google pixel's no other smartphones.
Lex79, 21 Dec 2017I've never actually rated DXOmark as reliable. The Sony fans once swore by them, then somethin... morethe reason i asked about dxo is because long time ago he (someone i replied in my previous post) always refer to dxo. i'm surprised because he suddenly change his mind.. he gives crappy link, and doesn't refer to dxo anymore
Lex79, 21 Dec 2017I've never actually rated DXOmark as reliable. The Sony fans once swore by them, then somethin... moreYes, definitely, something changed with DxOMark. I once trusted them for bringing good reviews of smartphones, but not anymore, because they had a new protocol which is kind of bias for single camera smartphones which is bokeh, and they make it affect the overall points so much that now the older smartphone points are really just screwed up (Example: XPERIA XZ got 87, and now the new protocol made the XPERIA XZ PREMIUM have 83 points). They should have made some consideration to the older smartphones before having a new protocol. But this isn't the real reason why people don't trust DxOMark anymore, the real reason is because some brands "Pay-To-Win". U may see some smartphones on top of the list which others review about it and have bad impressions of the camera of the smartphone, because they bribe them to give the smartphone a good score. I know most brands wouldn't do that but, there are just some cheating their way up to the top
Anonymous, 21 Dec 2017no one believe to non reputable source like yours. What about gsma and dxo? do you believe them?I've never actually rated DXOmark as reliable. The Sony fans once swore by them, then something changed though....can't quite put my finger on what that might have been :)
Marks my words though, reworked test criteria or no, should DXOmark again choose to put an Xperia in the Number 1 position, then the Sony crowd will go flocking back to them with enthusiasm.
I can't blame the Fanboys really though, they are easily lead by company rhetoric, and these companies are all to quick to boast about DXO scores like they matter....they don't.
Trying to claim those so called Youtube comparison videos as useful in any way though just shows how desperate some people are to make point.
They are clickbait, nothing more and should be treated only as such.
Put it this way, I currently own a Pixel 2 and a Moto E4 Plus and could quite easily (given the time) produce side by side shots taken by each, then present them on a YouTube video and make you believe the E4 had the more capable camera. I could even find some awful music to go with it.
Anonymous, 21 Dec 2017no one believe to non reputable source like yours. What about gsma and dxo? do you believe them?Actually most of us here believe to sites like these....
Why wouldnt we?
Bashers probably dont, yes...as them videos mostly say quite a different story from their lame "Sonys camera is crap" troll comments.
That site only collects camera compare samples from other tech sites, including arena, and presents them in hq video for people to see...
And they are not always in Sonys favor, but mostly are...
Its not quite polite of them yes, but, its quite a comprehensive overlook of flagship camera performance compares of numerous tech site tests all over the web...
Its much more conclusive for the viewers eyes than for ex, that lously done inconclusive XZ Prem review from "new protocol" dxo mark, with test numbers that dont even mathematically add up to final scores...
I just watched Bashir video in comparison with iPhone X LG V30 and Sony XZ1 for me the two both LG and XZ1 took good pictures even the dynamic range of the LG works excellent pro the post processed Sony makes the images look more reality and do not over expose what in the end leaves us with a good sharp picture pro it is necessary for Sony to specify more the HDR if Sony focuses on that there will be no margin of error in dynamic ranges solutions: implement a more intuitive software interface place a flash of dual or three tones and enable the shutter control or q can be adjusted better according to the scene with the laser and would be a touch more of the top car with that Sony is and will be the best pro camera with those technical lax who do not propose alternatives a f / 1.8 of serious luxury with a double tone flash and the controlled predictive sensor will efficiently surpass this camera I hope that my opinion will be heard by the technicians and Sony ceo graci ace
AnonD-481725, 20 Dec 2017IPhone X and LG V30 and some other smartphones, dual camera and some other camera hardware fea... morewhat? "Smart tech" ??
LOL. aaahahaahaah. please stop sharing crappy non-reputable site like that.
how about this?
3D Memorys, 21 Dec 2017Xperia XZ1 better than competitors in nights shot: https://youtu.be/bhqSyQ6f9Q4no one believe to non reputable source like yours. What about gsma and dxo? do you believe them?
3D Memorys, 21 Dec 2017Xperia XZ1 better than competitors in nights shot: https://youtu.be/bhqSyQ6f9Q4Yes, sony xperia xz1 is slightly better, color production looks more natural and there is no blair cause by headlight.
Xperia XZ1 better than competitors in nights shot:
AnonD-481725, 20 Dec 2017Sorry but my post down there is a free post and not a reply to anyone, btw, i see you are camp... moreYeah, not sure what you are on about with the whole location codes thing I am sorry, might be that it is you that spends too much time on here.........
Lose my job, not sure what you are getting at there either???
That video only allows for the viewer to draw their own conclusions, which you have done and then posted it on here passing it off as fact. An opinion is one thing, but that is not what you were trying to push now is it.
Those kind of videos are all over YouTube, random shots presented with some truly awful sounding backing music, they offer no real substance and lead to no conclusions. Their only purpose it seems is as click bait and to promote fanboy bicker contests in their respective comments sections.
They are the sloppiest kind of so called comparison video, which is why the channels producing them never seem to grow much.
Lex79, 20 Dec 2017Random shots presented without any pretext, the producer could have spend hours selecting both... moreSorry but my post down there is a free post and not a reply to anyone, btw, i see you are camping here on this thread waiting for anyone to drop a post praising Sony and make things to the opposite, what is the idea?? Some kind of desperation or anyway, most camera comparisons on YouTube xz1 and xz premium, xz1 compact were the best performance and had the most interest in the comment threads.
I don't want to go farther so you might lose your job, btw, most the people supported you down there especially the Anonymous's i know them one by one through their location codes they are fanboys of another brands they come to Sony threads between time and another to bash Sony, Good luck.
AnonD-481725, 20 Dec 2017IPhone X and LG V30 and some other smartphones, dual camera and some other camera hardware fea... moreRandom shots presented without any pretext, the producer could have spend hours selecting both the best and worst examples in order to lead the viewer to a specifically desired conclusion.
Sorry but there is nothing conclusive about that video.
IPhone X and LG V30 and some other smartphones, dual camera and some other camera hardware features and still no use against Sony.
Sony Xperia xz1 vs IPhone X vs LG V30 camera comparison.
xXENDER FREAKXx, 20 Dec 2017During the Z series lineup Sony can be said as the top 3rd best smartphone manufacturer. Years... moreIn terms of recommendation, yes they are certainly way down the list. At least in the flagship space, certain areas or the market show as being somewhat more favourable to Xperia devices.
That is to say they do ok in the mid tier with the likes of their XA series, in often see reviews of mid tiers devices where the reviewer will mention the XA1 say as an alternative.
The 'Compact' series all but recommended themselves as they are pretty much the only game in town for high power smaller handsets.
Flagships though, if you look at the mainstream flagship segment then virtually no one will point to an XZ, XZs or XZ1 as their recommended choice.
The 'Premium' line barely fares any better, yes I see a few caveated recommendations here and there, but they always fall along the reasoning lines of 'only get this device if that 4 screen is a must....'
Personally (and im sorry to keep coming back to it) but I personally feel this is largely do to the camera experience. Put a Pixel 2 quality camera and intuitive ui on the XZ1 and XZP and I think the recommendations would come far easier.
Sony have pretty much everything else right, just one last piece of the puzzle.........
Lex79, 20 Dec 2017Exactly, point and shoot is the smartphone camera's raison d'être. Manual mode is meant ... moreDuring the Z series lineup Sony can be said as the top 3rd best smartphone manufacturer. Years past, now they are right at almost the bottom of the list when someone recommend high-end flagships to someone else, most wouldn't recommend not because of the bezels, it is because of the unconsistency of the camera. And this is why I always say they need to do something with their camera, image machine learning is always a welcome
Anonymous, 19 Dec 2017Isnt that strange that they manufactured the camera sensor of other brand and yet other people... moreI'd certainly speculate that it has something to do with it. A high MP count on a relatively small sensor with (what is now considered) a relatively slow aperture is going to be difficult to get good results out of across a range of conditions.
In some conditions the XZ delivered spectacular results, but it was unreliable and vastly inconsistent.
Put it this way, if you have bright clear sunlight and a static image, then the XZ could trade blows with any of them, for pretty much any other circumstances, you can get better (with less effort) out of the best of the competition.
AnonD-553989, 19 Dec 2017agree. sony has to redisign its xperia camera. there are too many complaints about it especial... moreThey need to do something, Sony's camera experience doesn't get much love outside of fanboy praise, with good reason I would say.
But it's Sony, if they wanted to step up their game and match the current best, they could easily do so.
xXENDER FREAKXx, 20 Dec 2017Agreed. The new Manual Mode on my newer ones can handle low-light better than previous ones, b... moreExactly, point and shoot is the smartphone camera's raison d'être. Manual mode is meant to be an optional supplement, not a necessary replacement for auto mode picture taking.
If rumours are to be believed we may be seeing a radical change in Sony's approach to the camera hardware in 2018. I get and appreciate why you want to stay with the high MP approach, but I for one would be interested to see what Sony can do coming for a different perspective.
Like I have said repeatedly, the camera setup is my last gripe with the Xperia line, if so then can replicate what Good have achieved with the Pixel camera, then I would be more than willing to give another Xperia a go.