Cpt. Power, 28 Sep 2017Maybe you are right. ( In some cases :-D ) Some things arent same. Maybe we need so many brand... moredo you know this thing called google? if you want to tell history, make it clear, preferably a factual one. henry ford didn't make the first car,he was not even the first one who selling it. he was the one who made it affordable. before henry ford,car cost was the same just like house.only the rich could afford them.there was no options, it's just a car.it was a car called model T and when he introduced the assembly line. he even made the model T more affordable, and then a new industry was born. and those assembly line being applied to other industries. you know things called innovation right? henry ford innovation was the assembly line and that's not even pure his idea,he took it from meat industry.anyway we were talking about phone.so please stick to the point
yea sure.you know what you talking about because you're the only one here who have experience with sales,phone industry. look, there are few reason why people prefer other brand to xiaomi, for example do you know how many dealers,distributor they have? do they cover all the region? no. so some people who want the headphone have to import it. some look for some shop who have xiaomi on their line up. most of the time the price has been mark up real bad. its pretty the much the same with chinese phones, xiaomi,one plus,meizu, alcatel, i won't mention oppo because oppo already price quite high in the first place.but those phones has been mark up in certain market,region. do you know in some places,xiaomi mi6,oneplus5 when first released has been priced exactly just like samsung s7edge? there is reason why chinese phones are quite favorite in the market.the price.it's cheap.but when in certain region the price turned out to be the same just like others flagship.what's the benefit from it? again just because you experience it then you are an expert,you know it all. just like you have been said in phone manufacture cost, every region have different cost manufacture it. you also need to know those region also have different pricing on sales especially when there is no official dealer or distributor.in case you're not notice there are many countries in this world, so your market not necessarily the same like everyone else market. same stuff like custom, tax import. each countries have different policies.did you put that in your calculation?
Cpt. Power, 28 Sep 2017Oh man 20 lines and zero points? maybe i just like to write and maybe you are blind to see the... moreAgain, i am not sure which part of my topic triggered you and the Anonymous down there so you went up with these statements "You just can't understand English correctly"... "maybe i just like to write and maybe you are blind to see the point"...
Well i am perfectly not blind and i can totally understand the REAL english. By the way, you went again with counting lines only, why didn't you give an example between Xiaomi and Apple, Xiaomi with the specifications you mentioned and Iphones with only 2GB of ram, 720p display, 2000mah...and every year Apple scores the highest sale records way beyond your favorite brand, why you claimed that people are not cleaver as we so they go with the higher specifications and lower price while real life prove the opposite, and i know you will go again with a big topic with zero points good luck.
By the way, i did notice that you are targeting both Apple and Sony threads from almost two weeks with negative posts.
I like sony very much since sony Ericsson eara, but there's one thing i dont like, they don't wanna make phones with slim bezel and all these boders makes their phones big and heavy
Only two phones were better Xperia zl and z3 compact
Ali Bashir, 27 Sep 2017I reread my comment down there, and i am not sure what part of my comment triggered you, sorry... moreOh man 20 lines and zero points? maybe i just like to write and maybe you are blind to see the point. I know you said i put zero points in 20 lines where you add 5 points in 8 lines. But your 5 poits have zero value for me because customer experience works best. And i know what i am talking about for a very simple reason. Working with peope for over a 15 years selling electronic products mobile phones as well. So i should know somethign about customer care and customer respond. You are just a drop in ocean. I know a lot of people love sony. But i guaranee you if 7 billion people have to select between for example xiaomi or sony more than 70% will pick xiaomi for a very simple reason. Price is all that matters. Price and specs. More than 70% of people isnt clever as we and the see only numbers. So if 8 core phone with 6GB ram and 3500 mAh battery cost 400 and Quadcore phone with 4gb ram and 2700 battery cost 700 what do you think they pick? As i said not many people are deep into the tech specs mostly they will decide from what they see next to the price from the basic information. For the rest they doesnt care.
Anonymous, 27 Sep 2017i know.i'm living in third world country, you don't need to teach me how market and business w... moreMaybe you are right. ( In some cases :-D ) Some things arent same. Maybe we need so many brands and maybe not. Motorola made first mobile phone and from 1978 all copy Motorola. Like in cars when Henry Ford made first car. I know there was a lot people before trying to do same or simmilar but he was officialy first. But it doesnt matter. If we people theoreticaly have just one brand for each of the products who knows how much they could cost.
About the software: Everywhere is Android or in Apple phones its IOS and some using windows. For those who dont have stock android they have some company UI like flyme etc. But the basic is same. I know and understand that every brand is different. But on other hands tell me why for example around the globe more people walking with xiaomi or meizu phones than Sony. Maybe they want something good for less. And maybe here working a politics where if i person is satisfied with something he tell his friends and family and they buy same. Like Nokia long time ago where 75% of population havent any other phone just nokia. Who cares i am not a judge. I know a zillion people could be satisfied with one brand and on other hand zillion people not. Look how ended Note 7 and still many people love samsung. I know the customer service is important but mosty you buy at your nearby shop and this shop doesnt care about the customer service of brand company you have to deal with this shop customer service usualy. As i said before there is lot of things which makes your phone more and more expensive but apart from all the expenses company profit is the most. I know what i am talking about. My cousin works for samsung so i know how much is manufacturers price of Samsug products. And to be honest difference is ridiculously high. Sony is probbably same.
For example Sony Vaio which was their notebooks ended. They no longer making notebooks for a said reason. Any other brand basic notebook was like 200-300 eur. Same specs but Sony brand and price was 1000. People are greeedy and do everything in their possibilities to have even more. Poor starving and beggin on streets and rich have never enough. Some times they give crumbles to poor so they looks jealous in other eyes but fact is money and human greed rule the world.
dellevo, 25 Sep 2017Yes, test please on xz and answer me. Thanks.I examined my XZ over the last 2 days and there's no overheating issues. Playing Asphalt 8 for straight 30min it just little bit warm. Browsing also doesn't make any overheat. Just recorded 4K video in 10min and it's getting hot as hell. Well my XZP can recorded until it out of battery.
Ali Bashir, 27 Sep 2017I reread my comment down there, and i am not sure what part of my comment triggered you, sorry... moreActually he made plenty of good and interesting points in his 20 lines. You just can't understand English correctly.
Cpt. Power, 27 Sep 2017Sony is more expensive. Man everything is made in china even Apple is made in china probbabl... moreI reread my comment down there, and i am not sure what part of my comment triggered you, sorry anyway, but you actually made a real example for what i was actually trying to tell you, take for example my post down there, it is made of 8 lines, in these lines i made almost five points, take your post for example, it is made of 20 lines and you made zero points, do not count lines, same thing for smartphones do not count number, higher numbers not necessarily better, and cheaper prices not necessarily better for you.
Cpt. Power, 27 Sep 2017man as i said zilion times before everything is made or exported from china.
No matter how y... morei know.i'm living in third world country, you don't need to teach me how market and business works. my point was just because the phone itself have the same specification,same parts,build in probably the same factory,meaning same cost.logically it should perform pretty much the same. but in reality it's not like that isn't it? why? because there is this thing called software... if every companies using the same software,same customization, then we don't need all these brands because every phone should perform exactly the same.but again, in reality that's not what happened
if you want to focus on economy, do you know there is this thing called quality control? not everyone have same policy, even the supplier.because they work under contract,if it didn't met the requirement, then there is going to be penalty.not everyone have the same culture,same mentality. if we talking about cutting cost,cutting corners which companies do you think have more wiggle room? sure, you probably paying more because companies want more profit, maybe it cost more because of advertising cost,maybe it cost more because of the brand,the exclusivity, it cost more because of the certifications, all those certifications are not cheap. but also sometimes you pay more, because you want less wiggle room, some assurance, maybe better customer service, maybe better software. who knows
Anonymous, 27 Sep 2017yea dude. your opinions means nothing. do you have sony xz1 on your hand right now? you just c... moreman as i said zilion times before everything is made or exported from china.
No matter how you look at. China have biggest export from all 189 countries around the globe. For a said reason. Chinese workers are cheap and their politics i mean authorithies will leave this as it is. But thats china. Sony is the same case. If Iphone can assemble heir phones in china for a said reason US Workers are too expensive on sallary so Iphones would be costly as well then Sony is probbably doing same. Japanese salary is way bigger than most countries around the globe and for said reason Sony sell their phones for 700 eur even the manufacturers price per each piece is probbably less than 200 or 300 but if we count all expenses in especialy Advertising Sony speciality the phone cost are ridiculously high.
Anonymous, 27 Sep 2017I would wait for XZ2, expect 101hrs endurance rating with 3250 mAh battery life, 19MP+ 41MP du... moreI doubt they'll keep bezels, Sony will replace "OmniBalance" with bezel less "Mirai" design. It has been reported next Sony flagship will appear MWC 2018. You might aswell buy the Xperia XZ1 since it's the last Sony flagship phone to sport bezels.
Cpt. Power, 27 Sep 2017Sony is more expensive.
Man everything is made in china even Apple is made in china probbabl... moreyea dude. your opinions means nothing. do you have sony xz1 on your hand right now? you just comparing phones from specs. seriously if you want make comparison, get a hand with the phone itself and then compare to your phone. phone is not just hardware, otherwise you don't need all these phone companies. just go to the chip manufacturers and buy the parts and assembled yourself,install the os,install the apps,done.just like windows pc. but it's not working like that isn't it?
comparing from the paper,the specs doesn't means anything in real life. just because everything made in china doesn't mean it have same quality
speaking of note 7.yea it blow up because of the battery.do you know who are the suppliers for samsung note 7's batteries? china companies
Ali Bashir, 27 Sep 2017Meh as usual, you are comparing Japanese vs Chinese, quality vs quantity, XZ1 has indeed small... moreSony is more expensive.
Man everything is made in china even Apple is made in china probbably Sony as well.
You know for example how much cost the new Iphone X? In europe its 1300 eur.
And now try to guess how much it could cost if this phone will be assembled in US by US workers where weekly salary of just one worker is a lot bigger than chinese worker earn per year. Now you have a point. Sony is same. Endurance is nothing. You can leave both phones this sony and xiaomi MI6 left on table on and wait until one goes off Sony could prevail. But in average usage a person with Sony will drain battery faster.
Lenovo P2 is 2 years old phone and have endurance 4 times better than this and cost much much lest about 250 eur. About the lagg you cant compare because its 4GB ram vs 6 which have Mi6 also the processor its same and GPU is also same. Doesnt matter China or Sony. In this case MI6 outpreforms Sony because everythig is same apart from higher ram with Mi6. About quality some things you are maybe right.
But for example waterproof its just useless add-on. If a person is carefull with his phone he dont need waterproof or dust proof. And if person working on constructions for example he will buy more rugged phone than this tiny Sony. For Example Cat S60.
And last durability of phone is a discussion till forever if you have a bad luck even a best phone can break in week. Look how ended Note 7. You cant compare flagship vs Flagship with durability. I know what i am talking about. Having chinese phone for 2 years and apart from battery drain i am 100% satisfied with my phone. But as soon as they replace my battery in service centre i will be happy again with phone stability.
I would wait for XZ2, expect 101hrs endurance rating with 3250 mAh battery life, 19MP+ 41MP dual camera and I'm starting to dislike the metal unibody trend, bring back all glass body it's look so classy. Keep the Bezels :)
hdre, 26 Sep 2017finnaly sony battery su.ck ....need to buy iphon 7 plusiphone doesn't have Qnovo, it should be the mediocre battery lifespan compare to this one.
Cpt. Power, 27 Sep 2017Why the battery is so small. OMG 600 eur phone and battery like from 2010 or so.
WTF. This i... moreMeh as usual, you are comparing Japanese vs Chinese, quality vs quantity, XZ1 has indeed smaller battery than the MI6, 2700mah vs 3350mah, while the battery endurance rating of this site actually shows that the XZ1 outperforms the MI6 in battery performance lol, 4GB ram vs 6GB, and the XZ1 won't ever lag why the lag is a certain thing for Xiaomi even with 8GB of ram, MI6 no water and dust proof no front facing speakers mediocre cameras.... Chinese brands always use high numbers to compete against the brands of quality like Sony and Apple but they always miserably fail.
If you need to change your 700$ Sony mobile every four years and you need to change your 500$ Chinese smartphone certainly every two years then which smartphone is more expensive?
Why the battery is so small. OMG 600 eur phone and battery like from 2010 or so.
WTF. This is not worth the price.
Also only 4GB ram. Most phones for 400 or less have at least 6GB ram.
This have only 4.
Even a xiaomi Mi6 is much more better and cost 400 eur.
007roh, 31 Aug 2017Sony Xperia X (SD 650):- 5" display with 2620 mAh battery- Endurance Rating 67 hr
Oppo F3 Plu... moreNow check the endurance rating statistics of XZ1 and XZ1 compact and talk! I know you will still talk trash and say "Ohh 2700mAh, so small, blah blah".
End of the day, you will charge your phone atleast once in a day, so why ask for monstrous batteries and compare with Chinese phones!!?!?!?!