Anomynous, 08 Sep 2014What you call a great phone HAS to be seen relative to its specs and contemporary offerings. F... moreI didn't say that z3c is fairly priced, it's over priced for that specs...
its company's wish what they wanna do with their products, they may feel like the world has many rich people that can buy their product for high price(the phone is not out yet, commercially atleast), then drop the price for thier loyal customers... i'm not saying that its the truth but i'm just saying its what i think(no comebacks on this please i don't like to argue, i meant no disrespect)
also you cannot compare a newly upcoming companies product to a company that earned the trust of their customers though years of relationship with quality products(Sony's products are highly priced i know... i don't buy their products i'm not their fanboy)
Mi3 doesn't have IP ratings or very convenient(not reliable, very different) customer support... and may be many things i don't know and don't care... you cannot compare two company products unless they are exactly the same even the release date, company policies may apply to suck the deep pockets first... JK
and yes i would've loved to see the 3GB and 1080p, it's just that when we don't have what we want we have to adjust a little right? PRICES WILL GET DOWN IN FUTURE....
ii'm just saying many people will buy phones for entirely different reasons, some may prefer IP68 to 1080... just saying that if someone is interested to buy this phone and see that it's getting poor ratings because people consider not a good phone because of fairly lite upgrades.... it feels wrong.....
I personally like the black fascia of the Z1 compact in the other color versions. It makes them look compact and chic. Sony's decision to carry over the white color over to the bezels makes the phone look decidedly downmarket than it is, and definitely not flagship grade!
Anomynous, 08 Sep 2014So the Z1c needed better chipset, it was too slow and underwhelming? NOT!
You said it your... moreI didn't say that Z3c is perfect, I'm just saying it's better than Z1c, also i too agree that Z3c should've come with 3GB of ram(I may just wait till a better speced phone arrives on that matter)
for that "Z1c didn't needed a better chipset" I don't own the company, but when you think about it like one, if you don't upgrade your phone then a customer will definitely choose other brand phone just because the specs were outdated for mere weeks... thats a loss for the company... now i don't agree that they should release a phone every now and then with a single brick upgrade but i'm saying i understand why they do that... i'm not supporting them mind you.
also you are just saying Z1c is better than Z3c because Z1 almost = Z1c and Z3c =! Z3.... i beg to differ...
z1c is not high end than Z3c forgive me but it's not....
i too like the high ppi of Z1c they shouldn't have reduce it like that in z3c.... ppi does matter... IT DOES Sony
BK, 08 Sep 2014I know many consider this not much of an upgrade to xz1c but come on, please make an effort to... moreWhat you call a great phone HAS to be seen relative to its specs and contemporary offerings. Fact is that Z3c price is almost exactly 3 times higher than Mi3. Great? Naa...
For me a great phone today is HTC One M7, 4.7 inch was so perfect for 1080p, just that the rest of the phone was weird in too many ways.
You cant blame people for wanting much more for 500 Euro, you simply cant. 3GB and 1080p (or 900p) are minimum requirements here. But im not ruling out that i one day will buy a Z3c....
BK, 08 Sep 2014I know many consider this not much of an upgrade to xz1c but come on, please make an effort to... moreSo the Z1c needed better chipset, it was too slow and underwhelming? NOT!
You said it yourself, you were disappointed that it wasnt S805, your criteria isnt about real life experience but only about the spec sheet. Now how about spec upgrades that are visible in daily life, like higher resolution and more RAM? hey, Z1c didnt downgrade the RAM of Z1, yet Z3c does downgrade from Z3, thats a downgrade that Z1c didnt have. So, Z1c was higher end than Z3c is. No doubt.
BK, 08 Sep 2014I know many consider this not much of an upgrade to xz1c but come on, please make an effort to... moreSorry, battery is 2600 mAh... was carried away... wishing for 2800 mAh... mistyped it...
I know many consider this not much of an upgrade to xz1c but come on, please make an effort to read before posting as many will believe your words and miss a great phone...
you people will consider not much of an upgrade from 800 to 801 Soc... it's not just 800+1=801...
the Soc is very different than you think...
the Cpu cores are clocked higher from 2.25 to 2.45 GHz
the Gpu(yes) is clocked from 450 to 578 Mhz
the Memory bandwidth from 800 to 933 Mhz
the ISP (Image Signal Processor) from 320 to 465 Mhz
Also the 801 is better optimised than 800 meaning it uses less battery power = longer battery life
a lot more changes to Z1c like ISO 12800(damn), IP68, glass back panel with flash moved farther to avoid flash bleeds like Z1c(plastic back culprit), 2800 mAh battery, mainly stereo speakers that too front facing...
PS4 REMOTE PLAY COMPATIBILITY(yes it's that important of a feature(main selling point cause Sony may not port the ability to it's predecessors))
It's price is a little high but it'll will get down after those who can afford the price buy the product and the company gets the expected profits... something like that...
I was frustrated when they didn't used the 805 Soc... if you ask me why use 805 in such small phone then... the world is changing very fast and the flagship today will be outdated tomorrow, so doesn't hurt to future proof a phone along with water proof, right?
Although i would've liked the 1080 on this I can understand why they didn't... just imagine if they did, then they have to use 3GB of ram and with such a high ppi the Z3c will be the flagship not the Z3 that will implicate badly on the company for poor implementation(just my opinion not a statement) also i saw the leaks said 1080 then the announced version was 720... maybe a last min change to save battery life... as 1080 chucks more power like a wood chipper prohibiting them from achieving the 2 day battery life(2 days, like thats gonna happen)
Personally though i would've liked to see a 4.5" with 3 Gb ram and 2800 mAh battery also a better notification light like the ZR(it doesn't matter much but come on seriously who wouldn't like that, i know i would)
But hey, for a certain price i may consider Z3c if i have to get a new phone. However i am concerned about Sonys lineup, last years upper midrange offering is GONE, now we get the choice between lower midrange and an overpriced underwhelming "flagship". Where is the Xperia Sp successor!! THERES A BIG GAPING HOLE IN THE MODEL LINEUP!
samjessy, 08 Sep 2014z3 compact is much better than z1 compact it has 15.5 mp cam at 16.9 whereas z1 compact has on... moreSome of your points are wrong and the rest is insignificant.
For me the absence of the shatter proof sheet is the biggest upgrade, Z1c did NOT need more CPU speed. The PS4 streaming is nice but due to game selections i am an Xbox One buyer, and i believe the PS4 feature will come in future software upgrade for Z1c.
For 720p a 4.3 inch display is more than big enough for my eyes, the display is in my eyes not upgraded but rather downgraded and noone can claim its an upgrade over Z1c. Bigger display and thinner body is NOT innovation.
samjessy, 08 Sep 2014z3 compact is much better than z1 compact it has 15.5 mp cam at 16.9 whereas z1 compact has on... moreAs I said,
15.5MP 16:9 ratio is already updated on Z1c by software upgrade.
801 snapdragon is for sheeps who think they are getting upgraded,but this is only for money takeing.Overclock.
The ONLY important upgrade if we are to call it so,are the speakers.
But don't take this into consideration,sony needs the money,you better buy this phone.
z1 compact user, 30 Jul 2014z3c over z1c.
4.6" screen 1080p.
4.3&qu... morealright,again,the right way this time:
z3c over z1c.
4.6" screen 720p. 319ppi pixel density
4.3" screen 720p. 342ppi pixel density
Wooaw!...so much better.
Realy,do you guys think for a sec!?
ynos, 08 Sep 2014SP just as good as this.Well, based on your opinion ~
But reality this phone is completely different lengue with Xperia SP ~
With Stereo speaker , 20.7MP camera, small size with same screen size, and IPS screen for better angle viewing ~
As well as bigger batttery ~
The only thing that Xperia SP better is notification light ~
And this phone is IP68, which is dustproof and waterproof, of course you must care for its flaps so it wont go bad fast ~
I currently have Xperia ZR which have removable backcover as well as flaps, and after 7 months usage ~
The condition for the flaps and backcover still great ~
I can wash the device from time to time ~
Anomynous, 07 Sep 2014Just get the Z1 Compact then, its basically the same phone with overclocked chipset at a much ... morez3 compact is much better than z1 compact it has 15.5 mp cam at 16.9 whereas z1 compact has only 8 mp cam at that ratio, it has snapdragon 801 processor which is much better and bigger 4.6 disply and many cam features like 4k, dual camera shot are added, much better audio output with hr sound and gaming with ps4 will be awesome.
Anonymous, 07 Sep 20141.is the back of this nice,glass?
2.is the frame of this phone,aluminium?Frame is no plastic :)
It is nylon for durability your sudden drop:)
Z3 compact us also dust tight
emez, 07 Sep 2014I like this phone,everything is just great but SONY have to lower the price not for only rich ... moreJust get the Z1 Compact then, its basically the same phone with overclocked chipset at a much lower price (or will be lower very soon).
Its a bit shameless behavior by Sony to not give any noticeable upgrades over Z1 Compact, the lack of shatterproof display sheet is the only noticeable difference i can see, noone is ever gonna notice the slightly overclocked chipset and a display at this resolution does not need to be bigger than 4.2-4.3 inch, and the Z1 Compact already had great battery life. So, its hard to recommend spending so much extra for nothing significant. This phone will not be good to buy before it drops in price, 500 Euro is a criminal price for a midranger with overclocked processor.