RishiGuru, 12 Jul 2016"Lossless" is a relative term used by phone manufacturers to denote HiFi sound quality. But th... moreI have been following your posts for quite sometime and it seems you are a GURU when it comes down to audio in phones. As such I am quietly enjoying my time with my vivo x5max. Being audio inclined, this is the best smartphone you can have for quality over headphones. Built quality is second to none ans this phones thinness is awe inspiring. My cousins lenovo vibe x3 mave have better specs, but it does not posses the built quality, the camera quality and audio quality of x5max. I use shure headphones.
Big-G, 12 Aug 2016X5Max why go through the dated cheapest and 2 year Old KitKat OS we have much much better opti... moreif you love music this phone is the king. My dad own x5max and i have never seen him more happy as he is a avid music lover. A phone of x5max stature should not be measured by just chipset and ram size. The designers have thought something more in x5max than just hardware. I use a vivo v3max and if you hold both phones x5max will win any day due to just looks and quality. display is out of the world in x5max. The only bad is it is very expensive.
RishiGuru, 11 Aug 2016Read this: http://www.gsmarena.com/headphone_jack_vs_usb_audio_which_is_better_-blog-19060.phpThanks! Went through the article. I think that both mobile makers and earphone makers will milk the new cash cow, relying on the novelty element and targetting the non-audiophile segment of the market.
Mohamad Zaki, 09 Aug 2016Which best camera between v3 max n x5 max? Please help meVivo X5Max produces significantly better still images than V3Max both under both direct sunlight and artificial light, thanks to the use of Sony Exmor RS IMX214 photo sensor with 6 lens configuration. On the other hand V3Max produces slightly better 1080p videos. Overall X5Max is the winner in the camera department and comes with additional ultra tough sapphire lens cover for protection against scratches.
I will say V3Max main & front camera is as good as Oppo F1 Plus, but X5Max is better than both. I own all three devices.
Big-G, 12 Aug 2016X5Max why go through the dated cheapest and 2 year Old KitKat OS we have much much better opti... morePeople buy Vivo X5Max primarily for audio reasons. Its audio quality over headphones are unparalleled by any of the smartphones you mentioned. X5Max have extraordinary built quality and you will immediately feel the difference in hand when you hold it and compare it with say Moto G4 Plus. It is still the thinnest phone in the world and oozes panache.
If you are looking for best chipset, more RAM look somewhere else as Vivo is primarily designed for audio lovers.
RishiGuru, 08 Jul 2016X5Max was Vivo's most expensive handset ever released in India at INR 33K. Their is a reason w... moreX5Max why go through the dated cheapest and 2 year Old KitKat OS we have much much better options like Moto G 4 Plus Redmi Note 3 ,Le2 at cheaper price than why we opt for the X5Max.
Krish, 11 Aug 2016Thanks Rishi, Its always good to hear from you. Will do as suggested. There was one other ... moreRead this: http://www.gsmarena.com/headphone_jack_vs_usb_audio_which_is_better_-blog-19060.php
RishiGuru, 10 Aug 2016My suggestion will be to stick with a pre-owned Vivo X5Max. I most of the time see a X5Max pop... moreThanks Rishi,
Its always good to hear from you. Will do as suggested. There was one other query I had missed in the earlier post.
How is the new Type C connector with regard to delivering sublime audio. Will it become the future standard. The mobile industry may prefer it on account of its pin structure being exploited for other purposes ( eg. Body sensors etc).
But will it really be a big deal for the audiophile? Will FLAC files sparkle after this and become the standard? Will there be duplication of the electronics (DAC,amp etc) leading to price increases?
Will look out for your future posts on this.
Anonymous, 10 Aug 2016Hi! Rishi,
Your reviews with reg to earphone mobile audio are among the best. I constantly... moreMy suggestion will be to stick with a pre-owned Vivo X5Max. I most of the time see a X5Max pop up in OLX or Quikr at prices ranging between INR 12 ~ 15K. With X5Max you not only get the best audio hardware but also one of the most intuitive music player in business which enriches your music listening experience. The "i-Music" player is simply great, easy to use and can handle high bitrate lossless FLAC audio files.
None of the other internationally released Vivo phones can come close to the audio performance of X5Max. The Vivo V3Max, V3, X5Pro, V1Max and Y27L comes with the standard AKM AK4375 integrated DAC cum headphone amplifier which produces decent sound. But these phones simply cannot compete with the holy trinity of ESS Sabre ES9018 + ESS Sabre ES9601 + Texas Instruments OPA1612 found in X5Max. Another factor to count is if your audio collection consist of audio FLAC files then only X5Max & Y27L will be able to play them with i-Music player. Android Lollipop used in Vivo V3Max, V3, X5Pro & V1Max cannot play FLAC, but you can install third party apps like VLC to listen to FLAC.
Lenovo Vibe X3 is a phone with great hardware but comes with patchy software updates. Vibe X3 is simply not as stable as X5Max even though it has more RAM and better processor. Audio quality is as good as X5Max, it uses ESS Sabre ES9018 + 3 X Texas Instruments OPA1612. It does not comes with any audio player other than Google Play music which does not support FLAC playback. So the audio experience leaves a lot to be desired in comparison to X5Max.
RishiGuru, 10 Jul 2016Please find the answers to your questions below:
1) Both Vivo X5Max and V3Max support only ... moreHi! Rishi,
Your reviews with reg to earphone mobile audio are among the best. I constantly read. Even the technicals are lucidly presented. While I long to plug into the Vivo X5 max or the Len vibe K3, budgetary constraints are an obstacle right now.
I am NOT a camera buff.
My phone is first and last a music player on which I enjoy my huge collection of music. After this I use it to access my various personal
databases, network with friends etc.
So if I am ready to compromise on camera, display and other features, can you suggest me phones with vivo like audio but at lower price (10-15k).
In view of the time constraints you may have, a list of 5 models in descending order of audio quality will suffice. Other details I will gather from your other posts and reviews. As suggested by you earlier I am also looking at the pre-owned Vivos.
Thanks and cheers!
Krish ( email@example.com)
Rohit12, 08 Aug 2016Between I heard audio quality of LG V10 is also fantastic and upcoming V20 may have even better.The LG v10 is nowhere near the x5max in sound. My dad who is now using x5max previously owned the v10. I have heard both, x5max produces out-of-the-world audio. I do not understand the technology used by my vivo v3max audio is also better than v10. But in the end x5max is just reigns supreme.
RishiGuru, 22 Jul 2016I have decent experiences in Asphalt 8 and Real Racing 3 on Vivo X5Max. Someone here also poin... moreBetween I heard audio quality of LG V10 is also fantastic and upcoming V20 may have even better.
rambo, 20 Jul 2016Hello guys can anybody tell me how is x5 max for gammming can it run mortal combat or nova 3 o... moreI have decent experiences in Asphalt 8 and Real Racing 3 on Vivo X5Max. Someone here also pointed out the same for NOVA 3. So overall X5Max plays heavy games well.
How is the gamming on vivo x5 max does it run big games without any lag or there is a lag or graphics problem with it please tell
Hello guys can anybody tell me how is x5 max for gammming can it run mortal combat or nova 3 or asphalt 8 without lagging and chopping issues please help
Vivo X5Max user, 11 Jul 2016@RishiGuru
Hi, I was comparing lenovo vibe x3 with Vivo X5Max. Lenovo claims their phone h... more"Lossless" is a relative term used by phone manufacturers to denote HiFi sound quality. But then what is HiFi sound?
HiFi, or high fidelity means to be highly loyal to the original sound. Audio centric smartphone manufacturers like Vivo achieve HiFi by minimizing noise and distortion of sound in their flagship smartphones while raising its accuracy of response to human audible sound frequency. Sadly in the past phone makers have declined to make improvements in the audio system since people are used to bad quality 128 kbps MP3 sound.
HiFi starts with high quality flawless music files often in the format of FLAC, which are close to music discs in sound quality, since they are compressed without losing music information. They are much better than even lossy 320 kbps MP3.
An audio centric smartphone like Vivo X5Max contains high quality discrete audio DAC, I/V converter and audio amplifying circuit. All these chips are powered by a separate power supply devoted to audio only. X5Max packs an ESS SABRE ES9018 digital-to-analog-converter (DAC), an ESS SABRE ES9601 current-to-voltage converter (op-amp) and a Texas Instruments OPA1612 headphone amplifier to provide professional grade mobile HiFi audio solution. The audio from X5Max can cover full frequency response range from 20Hz to 20KHz, which cover all the sound frequencies sensible to human ears. The 120dB high signal-to-noise ratio (SNR) will keep all the music details while minimizing the noise generated through circulation. An incredible dynamic range of 118dB means X5Max is able to faithfully produce the quietest whispers/ murmurs in music as well as the loudest sounds. And less than 0.001% total harmonic distortion (THD) will make sure the sound you hear is true to the original sound. All the above explains why you can get exceptional music experience with X5Max.
Lenovo Vibe X3 shares many audio components of X5Max like the DAC & amplifier. It is able to produce similar audio performance to that of X5Max. I own both the phones and when it comes down to sound quality over headphones, I prefer X5Max over Vibe X3 by a slight margin. Both are able to create very high volume levels over ear buds and in-ear earphones. In short you will be able to achieve the path to audio nirvana with any of these smartphones.
Hi, I was comparing lenovo vibe x3 with Vivo X5Max. Lenovo claims their phone has a lossless 3.5 headphone output. Can you please tell me how X5Max's headphone output compares with Vibe X3? Is X5Max's headphone jack lossless too?
Geekyranjit, 09 Jul 2016I have few questions regarding Vivo X5Max and v3max. rishiguru can you please help me out?
... morePlease find the answers to your questions below:
1) Both Vivo X5Max and V3Max support only GREEN colored LED for app notifications. For X5Max even if the LED is multi-colored we can only use GREEN color. LED will also glow GREEN constantly while charging up on both phones. Additionally, X5Max notification LED will also constantly glow RED while recording audio. I have also found when the battery charge is below 1% in X5Max, the notification LED blinks RED. V3Max do not support RED color. Mind you notification LED works only when display is off for both phones.
2) Internationally Vivo must provide Google Play Services in all their smartphones or else no one will buy. To provide Google Services Vivo must go through Android certification process using Android Compatibility Test Suite (CTS). This is made mandatory from Android Lollipop (ver 5.0) onwards. The international version of V3Max uses Android Lollipop and hence needs to pass CTS test in-order to provide you the Google services. Unfortunately, as of now CTS does not support the ultra high resolution lossless FLAC audio files. Hence neither Google Play Music app nor Vivo's own "i-Music" default music app can play FLAC files. This is unfortunate situation. Vivo X5Max on the other hand uses Android KitKat (ver 4.4.4) which at the time of release (Jan, 2015) did not required to go through CTS test to provide us Google Play services.
So in a way X5Max is the best of both worlds, it gives you the power to fully exploit its audiophile grade audio hardware built in by supporting lossless audio FLAC files through its awesome "i-Music" default app. At the same time you get full access to Google services in it.
3) In short X5Max have two audio paths to its headphone jack, one geared for ultimate audio performance and the other to conserve battery. Performance come at an expense as the discrete audio DAC + IV converter drains a lot of battery power. So when you have a worthwhile source like FLAC or 320 kbps MP3 files, you switch on HiFi mode in X5Max. For something like low quality 128 kbps MP3, you turn it off to save battery power while listening.
V3Max frankly cannot be segmented as an audiophile grade phone as it has a single mediocre grade AKM AK4375 DAC with in-built Class-G headphone amplifier. X5Max can reach over 120 dB SNR and distortion less than -100 dB while V3Max somehow coughs up 105 dB SNR and distortion of -97 dB. As such V3Max have only one audio path for headphones through AK4375 with HiFi enabled. Saying that V3Max will slay twice more expensive phones like Samsung Galaxy S7 or HTC 10 where audio quality is concerned.
4) Top accessory companies like Nillkin do not provide screen protectors to mid-range devices like V3Max. Ofcource they have world class tempered glass display protectors available for Vivo flagship devices like X5Max. For V3Max you can vouch for one low cost locally made protector. I got one plastic display protector for V3Max.
5) As you said in some other post comparing flagship devices like X5Max with midrange devices like V3Max is like comparing apples to oranges. X5Max cost INR 9K over V3Max. As such it is built with more premium components like sapphire glass camera lens protection. I do not know if there is any separate protection available for camera lens.
6) If you are after music at a small budget get the Cowon EK2. I believe it retails in India for INR 1.3K. This earphone is not for bass lovers OR for those who loves the popular V-groove (high bass + high treble + recessed mids type of sound) which are quite popular with electronic music. EK2 on the other hand has a flat frequency response; it produces the real true sound with just the amount of bass + mids + highs as the composer has intended!!! But it comes with big 10mm drivers for which you need smartphones that are capable to drive them like X5Max, V3Max etc. With other smartphones with no dedicated headphone amplifier the EK2 may sound anemic as those phones do not have the power to drive those 10mm drivers.
RishiGuru, 28 Jun 2016Vivo X5Max like every other smartphone does tends to heat up while playing very heavy games fo... moreI have few questions regarding Vivo X5Max and v3max. rishiguru can you please help me out?
1. Do both x5max and v3max have only GREEN color notification led? I noticed when I first charged x5max after unboxing for the first few minutes the notification led was RED in color. How can I use the other colors?
2. Why can I not play flac audio files in v3max? Due to vivo audio prowess I got some high quality audio flac files from my friend. But when go to play the default player plays the song but is unable to show me the name of the song, the artist or the album. It just shows as unknown file as if it cannot read the file properly. I have tried the same audio files with my dad's x5max and it not only plays but also shows every detail like name, artist and album.
3. Why in v3max we do not have the HIFI button in the music player? In X5Max I can switch HIFI on/off as required but I cannot do the same in v3max.
4. Can anybody throw some pointer to a decent screen protector for v3max? It seems x5max comes with gorilla glass 3 so no worries there, but my v3max has just mineral glass which is prone to scratches.
5. X5max uses expensive sapphire glass as main camera lens protection. It is as tough as diamond and near impossible to scratch. But v3max comes with only mineral glass, so I am worries if the lens cover gets scratched. My friend once got the lens cover of his mobile scratched and then every photo he took came out blurry as the lens inside could not properly take the photo
6. The headphones bundled with x5max are awesome while that of v3max is cheap. Where can I buy x5maxÂ’s headphones and if not can anybody suggest me a good quality inear headphone within thousand rupees or so?