RishiGuru, 17 May 2016If you are an audio fanatic gun for Vivo X5Max, else there are much better options available i... moreYou are right... i have both v3max and x5max ... and x5max is just special. v3max may have the new powerful processor, more ram, better battery backup and all.. but in hand feel of this phone is second to none... it has this wow factor.. plus thin factor... which none of my phones.. incuding iphones can have in thousand years. x5max sounds awesome over earphones, the best i have heard and the display and built quality even surpasses iphones. Also the processor and ram is enough for my everyday duty and you have a very smooth fluid experience with the user interface. Even with such a thin phone the battery last a day which is unbelievable. Great flagship phone and i love this phone and the good thing is now we can have this flagship at same price of v3max.
yatin, 24 May 2016I purchased vivo 2 months ago based on looks and assurance of my dealer
I am deeply disapp... moreStrange, as I have used quite a few of their smartphones and the performance have been pretty solid to me. That said I have mainly used their X-Series flagships devices like X5Max, X5Pro, XShot, X3S and two of their mid-range offerings V1 & V1Max. Ofcource none of their phones are for power users and gamers, but they do perform day to day tasks pretty smoothly and reliably.
You buy a Vivo for few reasons, number one in them is audio quality over headphones. Next comes screen quality, built quality and looks. They will never be chart blazers in performance aspect except for audio quality. They are also quite expensive.
My pick and daily driver have always been the X5Max, the best of all their flagships launched internationally.
I purchased vivo 2 months ago based on looks and assurance of my dealer
I am deeply disappointed with the performance of my phone its very very slow and unfortunately not getting proper service have decided to through that phone and go back to Samsung
think 10 times before you buy such products
Anonymous, 16 May 2016Are these phones any good. If you are an audio fanatic gun for Vivo X5Max, else there are much better options available in the market right now.
I have used all Vivo flagship X-Series phones available in Indian market, and X5Max repeatedly came out to be the best. It was also the most expensive of all their flagships at US $500. Simply put it has one of the best audio quality over headphones, the best I have heard from any smartphone to date. It is also very loud over headphones which is a very good indication of its audio prowess.
Other than audio there is nothing much to lookup in this phone, but it has exemplary built quality and an awesome 5.5 inch 1080p Samsung Super AMOLED display. And yeah I forgot to mention this, it is one of the thinnest phone in the world.
mts58, 09 Apr 2016I am a lot interested in this phone for its hifi audio quality over headphones. I also have co... moreTo understand which one has better sound quality over headphones and why, at first you need to understand the different types of DAC packages that comes with audio-centric smartphones:
1) Integrated DAC Chip (DAC + Headphone amplifier): This type of DAC chips have lower audio performance parameters compared to other type of discrete DACs mentioned below. But these are very cost effective solutions as a medium quality op-amp comes integrated with the DAC to act as an in-built headphone amplifier. The low cost AKM AK4375 audio chip is one such example, liberally used in Vivo Y27L, Vivo V1Max, Vivo V3 & Vivo V3Max. AK4375 contains an inbuilt stereo voltage output DAC plus a stereo Class-G headphone amplifier (an operational amplifier to amplify the volume output) all in a single integrated chip.
2) Voltage Output DAC: These are discrete stereo DACs offering far better audio quality than integrated solutions like AKM AK4375. Hence they are expensive. An example will be the renowned Cirrus Logic CS4398 discrete stereo DAC which produces analog voltage audio signals required to drive headphones from digital audio data of smartphone CPU. We can actually feed the DAC's output directly to headphones in order to listen music but the audio signal will be very feeble.
Hence discrete DACs require help from a discrete stereo headphone amplifier to pump up the volume. Vivo X5Pro uses the CS4398 DAC with a discrete Maxim MAX97220 operational amplifier (stereo headphone amplifier to amplify the voltage signal from the DAC output to the 3.5mm headphone out). Hence the sound over headphones is as loud as -3.3dB with the punch to drive audiophile grade headphones. In comparison the Apple iPhone 6s maxes out at just -7.0dB while the Google Nexus 6P will cough up a meager -15.5dB. Vivo labels this kind of audio architecture used in X5Pro as HiFi 1.0, where a discrete DAC is followed by a discrete operational amplifier to the 3.5mm headphone out jack.
3) Current Output DAC: The most expensive option with the highest audio performance. Here the DAC does not produce analog voltage(V) audio signals required to drive headphones from digital audio stream of CPU but instead produces current(I) as output. ESS as the best DAC manufacturer in the world produces such expensive & performance oriented DAC in the name of SES SABRE ES9018 for smartphones. But with performance comes cost & complications in hardware design as their comes an additional step in the audio path where the current output from this DAC needs to be converted to voltage signals on which headphones operate. This conversion is ultra critical for the final sound signature and in producing the desired tonality. ESS never wanted any other manufacturer to handle such a critical performance stage for their DAC and hence created the ESS SABRE ES9601 operational amplifier (on Vivo's insistence) to be exclusively mated with their DAC to perform this I/V conversion. Mind you ES9601 op-amp is exclusive to Vivo and no other manufacturer can claim it. Vivo used this pair for the first time in their X5Max handset. I believe it is this exclusive pair which gives X5Max a slight performance edge in audio quality to the rest of the smartphones like Lenovo Vibe X3 which uses the same ESS DAC. Not to be content, Vivo additionally roped in another great name Texas Instruments to make the ominious OPA1612 operational amplifier which acted as a discrete headphone amplifer in X5Max, further amplifing the voltage signals from the ES9018 op-amp to the 3.5mm headphone out. The headphone volumes are so high (-1.4dB) and clear
you can drive any audiophile in-ear headphones to the maximum with X5Max. Vivo calls this kind of audio architecture as used in X5Max as HiFi 2.0, where a discrete DAC is followed by two discrete operational amplifiers to the 3.5mm headphone out jack.
My two cents (After extensive use of both Vivo X5Max & Lenovo Vibe X3 over multiple headphones):
A) If you are seeking to use a smartphone as a high resolution audio player to attain highest audio quality over headphones go for Vivo X5Max. To my knowledge X5Max is the most audiophile centric smartphone Vivo have ever created and then released globally. I own one and call it their masterpiece. Only the to-be-released Vivo XPlay5 Elite with HiFi 3.0 architecture have the potential to dethrone it, but it may not be released globally. The X5Max have the best timbre and tonal quality while the separation of instruments is second to none. As the pioneer of HiFi smartphones Vivo owns a special relationship with ESS, the best DAC manufacturer in the world. It is they who convinced ESS to make a DAC chip exclusively for their smartphones. Then ESS created the sublime SABRE ES9018 DAC only to be used in Vivo flagship smartphones. In 2014, no other smartphone manufacturer were interested to put such an expensive DAC in their units. The main objective of HiFi 2.0 architecture in X5Max was to attain a measured 120dB SNR, 118dB dynamic range and distortion less than -100dB. This indicates they have actually surpassed most desktop and high resolution portable audio players in the market with X5Max.
B) If you want to use a smartphone as a smartphone like playing games, multimedia stuff, watching movies in VR headset, etc along with a supreme sound quality that misses the X5Max by a whisker, get a Lenovo Vibe X3. I will be perfectly fine with Vibe X3 which uses the same high-end ESS SABRE ES9018 DAC of Vivo X5Max. But Lenovo like other manufacturers do not have access to Vivo exclusive ESS SABRE ES9601 op-amp for critical I/V conversion. So what Lenovo (or rather Motorola) did was clever, they used the best op-amp available in the market, the same Texas Instruments OPA1612 (used in X5Max as headphone amplifier) to perform the current-to-voltage(I/V) conversion. But to improve performance and keep it close to ES9601 op-amp, they used a OPA1612 per channel (differential configuration) rather than justy one for both channels (single-ended configuration). Hence two OPA1612 are required for the stereo I/V conversion rather than just one. Further Vibe X3 uses the third OPA1612 just as a headphone amplifer just like X5Max. Lenovo was definitely inspired by Vivo's HiFi 2.0 architecture in X5Max and Vibe X3 is the result. It uses the same ESS SABRE ES9018 DAC and three OPA1612 op-amps in its audio path. Vibe X3 attained a measured 120dB SNR, -103dB distortion (fractionally less than X5Max's -100dB) and an high output voltage on +0.9518 volts over headphone jacks. These are signs of a true HiFi oriented smartphone. Apart from similar audio performance over headphones, Vibe X3 will obliterate X5Max with stereo in-built speaker performance.
Subjectively speaking both are equally loud on same headphones, maybe Vibe X3 a fractionally louder. I believe X5Max having access to the exclusive ESS SABRE ES9601 op-amp for ESS SABRE ES9018 DAC have a slight edge. But then you are splitting hairs as both uses the same DAC in different hardware architectures having their own strengths and weaknesses. X5Max having slightly better separation, transients, plucked strings of guitars are better illustrated and high frequency transparency is second to none. The Vibe X3 on the other hand have a slightly more authoritative bass, mids are more thick and mellow and male voices are slightly better put than X5Max. Female voices sound slightly better in X5Max. I will say Vibe X3's sound signature is somewhat in between the mellow-ish X5Pro & sharp-ish X5Max. It is very hard to choose between the two and will ultimately boil down to personal preferences. Having said that Vivo & Lenovo have both done a stellar job in X5Max & Vibe X3 respectively and they are currently second to none in audio department. If you love complete separation of instruments and the openness in sound signature go for X5Max else if vocals is your preference go for Vibe X3.
Apart from audio, the X5Max have more up-market feel with slightly better built quality over Vibe X3. The 5.5 inch 1080p Super AMOLED display of X5Max is superior to Vibe X3 in terms of both color reproduction and vibrancy. Battery backup just makes up for a day in X5Max as it is the thinnest phone in the world with just 2300 mAh juice. Both the smartphones have excellent call quality, just like Motorola's CrystalTalk.
Hope this helps!!!
RishiGuru, 31 Jan 2016I thought to share a few points about my X5Max, V1 and Vivo in general:
1) Excellent... moreI am a lot interested in this phone for its hifi audio quality over headphones. I also have come across another handset by the name lenovo vibe x3. Have you compared the sound between the two? Which one is the better of the two for quality sound over headphones? Does x5max support FLAC audio playback and how convinent is its default music player?
Also how is the network call quality of x5max? Finally i want to state i am not a power user, I want to use the phone for mainly calls and also use it as a portable audio player. Please help me as both phones cost more or less the same and i cannot decide which one to buy.
RishiGuru, 31 Jan 2016I thought to share a few points about my X5Max, V1 and Vivo in general: Pros: 1) Excellent... moreHave you compared the audio quality of x5max with lenovo vibe x3 over headphones? Can you tell me which one is better? Why is better is audio is only considered? Which one is the better overall phone?
everything is not responding..........
kitkat version only.................
hanging problem and imusic is not responding..................
battery drain very fast......................
vicky Kalsi, 24 Jan 2016hahahah R u fool . viviox5max is very fast phone. i used it. no problem. very very good phone.hii.. can I have owm custom gestures to open apps in vivo x5 max as I can do in vivo v1 max??
I am using this phone after another slimmest previous one,but I won't go anymore for such cheap brand phone again.A total waste of money.Be careful before expending your money guys.
Its not upgradable to lollipop or further version, its latest version is only kitkat....
please check before buying
lee2kee, 03 Feb 2016where can i buy VIVO x5 here in philippines? hlp... pls......Plz not bye this phone it very bad hanging problems is more
Vivo x 5max is the best smart phone. all play games, like asphalt 8 very smooth play. trust me i am a vivo x 5max customer. this is amazing phone. i used iphone 5, htc, samsung note 4. but vivo x 5max is my best phone this time. my experience we should buy this smartphone. bcz all feature included in this phone. i love it. i am so happy buy this phone, excellent quality like music lovers. display quality excellent . supports almost all high graphic games. 2k video play. very thin and lite weight phone. amazing designing white silver combination. no hanging, multitask use. support all smart LED tv easy connectivity feature, like play video, music, play games. so this is the very stylish and premium look solid smart phone. and price is RS.22000 india
I thought to share a few points about my X5Max, V1 and Vivo in general:
1) Excellent built quality. Be it X5Max or V1, from the moment you hold X5Max or V1 in your hand you feel the premium built quality and precision engineering. The handsets radiate as if they were curved from a single block of magnesium/ aluminum and are built to last. But this premium quality comes at a premium price just like an Apple iPhone. So Vivo is not like LeTv/ LeEco, providing premium quality at an insanely low price.
2) Vivo's own Funtouch overlay over Android. As the name implies this custom operating system overlay is "fun to touch" and comes with many useful gesture controls which are truly helpful at times. But don't expect blazingly fast performance and range topping benchmark scores against this OS. Even though Funtouch OS overlay is a shameless copy of Apple's own iOS found in iPhones, coping iPhone have made Vivo to offer us a very useful and intuitive OS and truly engaging for day to day activity. I love this OS.
3) If you are a music lover and cherish high sound quality over headphones, then Vivo flagship models like X5Max or X5Pro are for you. Two years back we had not too many options, Meizu was not available in India and X5max was the best and only choice for music buffs like me. Fortunately now we have many choices like Lenevo Vibe X3 which has the premium built quality like X5Max coupled with high quality sound and also comes way cheaper at INR 20K while X5max retailed at INR 33K. Meizu MX5 Pro and Xiaomi Mi Note are also other options you can look out for.
1) Zero Android OS updates. Let me give you an example. I gifted my wife's a Motorola Moto G (2nd Gen) in 2014 which came preinstalled with Android 4.4.4 (KitKat). The Moto G retailed online at INR 11K in Flipkart. In the same year I got myself a Vivo X5Max at INR 33K (3x the price of Moto G) from a local offline Vivo dealer. This also came with Android 4.4.4 (KitKat) with their own Funtouch 2.0 overlay. Standing as of today the Moto G was subsequently updated via OTA by Motorola to Android 5.0.1 (Lolipop) -> Android 5.1.0 (Lolipop) -> Android 6.0.0 (Marshmallow). Unfortunately the X5Max being a flagship device and initially costing 3x the price of a budget Moto G is still stuck to the same version it came pre-installed with, Android 4.4.4 (KitKat) . This is the biggest disappointed I have against Vivo, and after waiting for over a year I have understood they never do updates. The Android version in which your Vivo handset will come is the version it will remain for the rest of its life be it even a flagship device like X5Max. I have lost a lot of respect against the company in this aspect only.
2) Vivo handsets are not meant for gaming. Poor optimization of the Android with its Funtouch OS means it always remains in the bottom of the score chart in benchmarks like AnTuTu when compared with other handsets with same chipsets from rival companies. You will find more of this is GsmArena reviews itself like that of X5Max or X5Pro. You can imagine the level of stuttering and frame loss when I started to play Asphalt 8 on my flagship X5Max which comes with 64-bit Snapdragon 615 processor and 32-bit Android 4.4.4 with a poorly optimized Funtouch OS. The same game blazes in my wife's new Moto X Play with same chipset and 2GB RAM. With V1 my advice will be to stick to very low end games like Subway Surfers.
3) Always buy Vivo phones with 2GB RAM at minimum. As I said before and also mentioned by GSMArena reviews many a times, this custom Funtouch OS is very poorly optimized so require much more resources to perform optimally. To give you an example, my wife's old Moto G came with a 32-bit Snapdragon 400 with 1GB RAM and at that moment was updated to Android 5.0.1. My Vivo V1 on the other hand had 64-bit Snapdragon 410 with 2GB RAM and also comes with Android 5.0.1 having Funtouch 2.1 overlay. So V1 had much superior processor with twice the RAM of Moto G. But when I ran AnTuTu benchmarks in both handsets all hell break loose and Moto G was just a notch below V1 in total score, and most absurdly had higher scores in RAM utilization and optimization while V1 with two times the RAM of Moto G was lagging much behind it. You get the picture. This is the reason why the Vivo Y27L has so many complains which uses the same CPU of V1 but with 1GB RAM only.
4) Absurd sky high offline price when compared to online sales of its competitor models through online sales channels like Flipkart or Amazon. Let us take the example of the maximum retail price of INR 18K of Vivo V1. Comparing the absurdly high priced V1 with LeTv Le 1s (INR 11K) or Lenovo K4 Note (INR 12K) is simply injustice; they will simply blow the V1 out of the water and then stampede it in every category be it screen size or performance category bar none even being INR 6 to 7K cheaper. Same goes for every other model of Vivo.
5) If you really love to use a Vivo handset better gun for second's sale in Quikr or Olx. You will find a ton of Vivo users trying to sale their Vivo phones with barely two to three months of use, at almost half the price. I got one such two months old V1 in brand new condition at INR 7K (60% discount on INR 18K MRP). At 7K the Vivo V1 is a complete VFM and a great device worthy to buy.