Nnnn, 27 Sep 2019Mediatek G90T was said to be better than sd730/exynos 9610. You'll check yourself in youtube9X with kirin810 have more speed than rn8 pro with g90t
kill g90t completetly
BlackHat, 27 Sep 2019Maybe because it was very power hungry? Because the Mt6752 had 8 cores all at 1.7ghz and the 6... moreWhat you think about power consumption on mt6752 is wrong...
The reason is simple : mt6752 can run a single core alone (even the older mt6592 was able too), when SD615 makes them run 4 by 4...the same for 616 and 617.
Mediatek's Corepilot was far better than Qualcomm's core management.
Even GPU was a little better on mt6752.
Mt6732's GPU totally destroy SD410's old Adreno 3 and with 4 cores is as fast as SD615 with 8!
About modem, of course, not most but all smartphones use Qualcomm patents...because it's standard essentiel patents (CDMA and LTE for exemple), no choice, manufacturers have to pay...that's the problem : bad regulation of fees...fees too high, manufacturers forced to pay, rebates on soc...nvidia's, intel's, Texas instruments, broadcom's, St-microelectronics, Via's smartphones soc's death...
And without licence agreement, LG never release their soc (Nuclun, Nuclun 2), see district of California's décision (FTC vs Qualcomm)
Nevertheless, there's a huge difference between theorical bandwidth and real use...
My Oppo A3 with Helio P60 (LTE cat 7), gets most time better LTE speed (real mesures) than a Xiaomi Mi A2 with SD660 (LTE cat 12)
You've got even some brands who cut antennas costs.
For exemple Nokia 7 Plus is only Cat 6 when his Snapdragon 660 is Cat 12...have you ever seen someone complain about internet speed on Nokia 7 Plus?
Md: Saidul Islam, 26 Sep 2019Xiaomi Redmi Note 8 Pro It has a parfect phone, But it is mediatek helio G90T it's not parfec... moreMediatek G90T was said to be better than sd730/exynos 9610. You'll check yourself in youtube
Anonymous, 26 Sep 2019P22 is a very interresant one, it's sad to see Redmi 6 uses a 32bits system on it (Nokia 3.1 P... moreMaybe because it was very power hungry? Because the Mt6752 had 8 cores all at 1.7ghz and the 615 4x1.7ghz and other 4x1ghz, it means that with light tasks the Mt6752 consumed a monstrosity,, also Mediatek was really slow delivering binaries updates to OEMs but just before OEMs payed the mediatek feed for new updated binaries, (unlike qualcomm) yes not only qualcomm lives of feeds.
In addition, the qualcomm modems were and are far superior, almost all the modems in the market have somehow patents of their technology, Mediatek on the other hand, had modems that caused strangulation in their chips when they were used.
Or the same with the GPUs but this is not exactly the fault of mediatek since Kirin and exynos also use Mali, their architecture is not efficient requiring several cores and high frequencies to reach the competition what in long sections meant thermal strangulation.
I do not say that mediatek does not have chips that give results, the problem is that manufacturers such as Xiaomi and Oppo put snapdragons on phones with prices almost equal to mediatek models, so even if the difference is only 15% if you pay the same, Why not choose the most powerful?
Mediatek has improved a lot, who has tried his 65xx series knows what I am saying but they still have a way to go, so that users who used the 65xx forget it and on issues of energy efficiency.
Xiaomi Redmi Note 8 Pro It has a parfect phone, But it is mediatek helio G90T it's not parfect, It has parfect to be Sanapdragon 712/730 Expect ?
BlackHat, 26 Sep 2019Even with those complaints we cannot deny the superiority of the qualcomm chips.
I think tha... moreP22 is a very interresant one, it's sad to see Redmi 6 uses a 32bits system on it (Nokia 3.1 Plus uses 64bits with the same soc)...but his target is SD450, not even SD625
P60 is the one I use yet...very very good one
I think P90 is a good one too, even if I never test any...ISP and AI are better than SD710, but GPU is a little weaker. Able to use Zero shutter delay with 48MPixels when 710 and 730 can't.
I think P65 is interressant too...this one is able to use Multiframe Noise reduction with 48MPixels. All the device released with 48MP and SD665 (with MFNR limited to 25MP!!!!) like Redmi Note 8 (non Pro) should technically use P65.
To save costs, Mediatek cut UFS support on P65 (Note 7, 7 Pro, 8 uses eMMc by the way) but if seems it's not enough to fight Qualcomm's taxes!
It's very hard to make good products with cheaper price.
Especially when you have to make profits and when your competitor needn't because he makes all his awesome profits with licence fees (up to 600% profits for exemple in 2016, that's crazy...the same year, profits on products were around 15%)
In the past, you've got Helio X30, 10nm like competitors, a good one, maybe not as good as SD835, but close, using the same but a little tinier GPU iPhone used...no success.
Mt6752 was older, his competitor was SD615.
SD615 was ridiculous compare to mt6752...Qualcomm sold many!
The same with mt6732 compare to SD410!
There's a huge injustice in this market...but post people doesn't care.
Del, 24 Sep 2019They've gotten better since then. The Redmi K20 Pro just received Android 10!He is speaking about the chips no Xiaomi in general.
DroidBoye, 26 Sep 2019Your point of comparison is only limited to a niche market. Nokia 1 is an Android Go device wh... moreMediatek admits that they are working to speed up binaries updates, so yes half of the blame is for mediatek, also Nokia 5.1 after almost 2 years still with roms in xda website.
Anonymous, 26 Sep 2019Reasons why major manufacturers use Qualcomm could be
https://fr.scribd.com/document... moreEven with those complaints we cannot deny the superiority of the qualcomm chips.
I think that the only chip that beat its qualcomm counterpart is the p60 against the SD660, the p60 was faster, both GPU and CPU without thermal throttling and according to notebookcheck with less consumption otherwise other mediatek chips has several limitations: the p20, p22 under way low than the 625 and the p25 just at the same level but with higher power consumption, the same with the p35 vs 636.
The mayor problems comes when brands like Xiaomi sells snapdragon chips at the same price that mediatek varians.
DroidBoye, 26 Sep 2019Mediatek's violation with the GPL is not about releasing its source code. It's about releasing... moreFalse, most uses Mediatek tough the majority of phone makers does not make a single update post the release of their device...
DroidBoye, 26 Sep 2019Those are other reasons why Qualcomm was chosen by other manufacturers. You pointing those out... moreYou're welcome
More than accepted ;-)
English isn't my native langage too...
I know justice reasons aren't the only ones too.
One other reason, is bad opinion about Mediatek...some people even still think GPS is bad.
The more major companies get some of their soc, the more we will get sources.
This Note 8 Pro is really a big step for Mediatek in term of volume.
Anonymous, 26 Sep 2019Reasons why major manufacturers use Qualcomm could be Here : https://fr.scribd.com/document... moreThose are other reasons why Qualcomm was chosen by other manufacturers. You pointing those out does not invalidate my point about Qualcomm being preferred due to their source-code releases (this is just one of the reason why). My point is that, the reason of as to why manufacturers chose Qualcomm is not limited to my own statement. If my previous statement made you think that the source code is the "only reason" then kindly accept my apology. I'm not a native English speaker/writer.
Anonymous, 26 Sep 2019TL Lee said Mediatek releases their source code to their customers (the manufacturers).
In my... moreLee's statement is true. It is a standard to release the Source Code for the the device's current OS, otherwise, no phone manufacturer will buy any MTK SoC. The question would be about the succeeding major Android iteration.
Ask justice? They don't. If they can't secure a free source code, they just opt to not update the phone. Again, this is due to the fact that MTK sell their source code instead of giving it for free in which it should. Chinese manufacturers won't prosecute MTK, they don't care, Chinese government don't care.
Kernel sources about the touchscreen is of Xiaomi's own problem. As long as the source code is released, the public can do whatever they want. The main take here is that, having source code now is a standard, MTK release that for the manufacturer for their phone to work, the succeeding Android iterations would be the main problem.
DroidBoye, 26 Sep 2019Mediatek's violation with the GPL is not about releasing its source code. It's about releasing... moreReasons why major manufacturers use Qualcomm could be
Or here :
Or here :
In the first link, page 45, you've got an exemple of how Qualcomm forced LG Electronics to buy them 85% of their soc
These are justice decisions (despite some lobbying and protections inside some high district of justice) not spreaded rumors on internet.
Don't tell me Qualcomm's market share is link to source code, most smartphones owners don't care about custom rom and updates! And courthouses around the world find other explications