Xiaomi Redmi Note 8 Pro It has a parfect phone, But it is mediatek helio G90T it's not parfect, It has parfect to be Sanapdragon 712/730 Expect ?
BlackHat, 26 Sep 2019Even with those complaints we cannot deny the superiority of the qualcomm chips.
I think tha... moreP22 is a very interresant one, it's sad to see Redmi 6 uses a 32bits system on it (Nokia 3.1 Plus uses 64bits with the same soc)...but his target is SD450, not even SD625
P60 is the one I use yet...very very good one
I think P90 is a good one too, even if I never test any...ISP and AI are better than SD710, but GPU is a little weaker. Able to use Zero shutter delay with 48MPixels when 710 and 730 can't.
I think P65 is interressant too...this one is able to use Multiframe Noise reduction with 48MPixels. All the device released with 48MP and SD665 (with MFNR limited to 25MP!!!!) like Redmi Note 8 (non Pro) should technically use P65.
To save costs, Mediatek cut UFS support on P65 (Note 7, 7 Pro, 8 uses eMMc by the way) but if seems it's not enough to fight Qualcomm's taxes!
It's very hard to make good products with cheaper price.
Especially when you have to make profits and when your competitor needn't because he makes all his awesome profits with licence fees (up to 600% profits for exemple in 2016, that's crazy...the same year, profits on products were around 15%)
In the past, you've got Helio X30, 10nm like competitors, a good one, maybe not as good as SD835, but close, using the same but a little tinier GPU iPhone used...no success.
Mt6752 was older, his competitor was SD615.
SD615 was ridiculous compare to mt6752...Qualcomm sold many!
The same with mt6732 compare to SD410!
There's a huge injustice in this market...but post people doesn't care.
Del, 24 Sep 2019They've gotten better since then. The Redmi K20 Pro just received Android 10!He is speaking about the chips no Xiaomi in general.
DroidBoye, 26 Sep 2019Your point of comparison is only limited to a niche market. Nokia 1 is an Android Go device wh... moreMediatek admits that they are working to speed up binaries updates, so yes half of the blame is for mediatek, also Nokia 5.1 after almost 2 years still with roms in xda website.
Anonymous, 26 Sep 2019Reasons why major manufacturers use Qualcomm could be
https://fr.scribd.com/document... moreEven with those complaints we cannot deny the superiority of the qualcomm chips.
I think that the only chip that beat its qualcomm counterpart is the p60 against the SD660, the p60 was faster, both GPU and CPU without thermal throttling and according to notebookcheck with less consumption otherwise other mediatek chips has several limitations: the p20, p22 under way low than the 625 and the p25 just at the same level but with higher power consumption, the same with the p35 vs 636.
The mayor problems comes when brands like Xiaomi sells snapdragon chips at the same price that mediatek varians.
DroidBoye, 26 Sep 2019Mediatek's violation with the GPL is not about releasing its source code. It's about releasing... moreFalse, most uses Mediatek tough the majority of phone makers does not make a single update post the release of their device...
DroidBoye, 26 Sep 2019Those are other reasons why Qualcomm was chosen by other manufacturers. You pointing those out... moreYou're welcome
More than accepted ;-)
English isn't my native langage too...
I know justice reasons aren't the only ones too.
One other reason, is bad opinion about Mediatek...some people even still think GPS is bad.
The more major companies get some of their soc, the more we will get sources.
This Note 8 Pro is really a big step for Mediatek in term of volume.
Anonymous, 26 Sep 2019Reasons why major manufacturers use Qualcomm could be Here : https://fr.scribd.com/document... moreThose are other reasons why Qualcomm was chosen by other manufacturers. You pointing those out does not invalidate my point about Qualcomm being preferred due to their source-code releases (this is just one of the reason why). My point is that, the reason of as to why manufacturers chose Qualcomm is not limited to my own statement. If my previous statement made you think that the source code is the "only reason" then kindly accept my apology. I'm not a native English speaker/writer.
Anonymous, 26 Sep 2019TL Lee said Mediatek releases their source code to their customers (the manufacturers).
In my... moreLee's statement is true. It is a standard to release the Source Code for the the device's current OS, otherwise, no phone manufacturer will buy any MTK SoC. The question would be about the succeeding major Android iteration.
Ask justice? They don't. If they can't secure a free source code, they just opt to not update the phone. Again, this is due to the fact that MTK sell their source code instead of giving it for free in which it should. Chinese manufacturers won't prosecute MTK, they don't care, Chinese government don't care.
Kernel sources about the touchscreen is of Xiaomi's own problem. As long as the source code is released, the public can do whatever they want. The main take here is that, having source code now is a standard, MTK release that for the manufacturer for their phone to work, the succeeding Android iterations would be the main problem.
DroidBoye, 26 Sep 2019Mediatek's violation with the GPL is not about releasing its source code. It's about releasing... moreReasons why major manufacturers use Qualcomm could be
Or here :
Or here :
In the first link, page 45, you've got an exemple of how Qualcomm forced LG Electronics to buy them 85% of their soc
These are justice decisions (despite some lobbying and protections inside some high district of justice) not spreaded rumors on internet.
Don't tell me Qualcomm's market share is link to source code, most smartphones owners don't care about custom rom and updates! And courthouses around the world find other explications
DroidBoye, 26 Sep 2019Mediatek's violation with the GPL is not about releasing its source code. It's about releasing... moreTL Lee said Mediatek releases their source code to their customers (the manufacturers).
In my opinion, it's the case...
Otherwise, tell me how manufacturers can release their Rom if they don't have soc sources?
This reason seems to be enough? Don't you think so?
And tell me why manufacturers doesn't ask justice to force Mediatek to do?
Today, there are not a single condamnation against Mediatek about GPL/GNU.
According to public idea, it can be easy for manufacturers to cut costs on their devs team for Mediatek's Rom...people will blame Mediatek.
But, true, Mediatek should change their mind and open themself a GitHub with all their sources...then people won't complain anymore...or find something else against Mediatek instead of focusing on Qualcomm commercial behavior.
Today Kernel sources problem about Note 8 Pro seems to be Touchscreen...
How can Mediatek be faulty about that?
But at least, Google had a great Idea with GSI...
Anonymous, 26 Sep 2019But you can find Kernel sources for almost every Mediatek's soc... Problem often come from ot... moreMediatek's violation with the GPL is not about releasing its source code. It's about releasing source code to the manufacturers with the price which was supposedly FREE. Nokia mainly uses Android One and Android One just works, this is mainly due to Google's own efforts to make their OS as universal as possible. Google's Project Treble is made to just work even with MTK SoC without kernel source code so this effort were mainly by Google and NOT MTK. Third party custom skinned Android needs kernel source code in advance for them to have timely update, MTK wants to exploit this and give manufacturers a charge for what's supposedly free, we're talking about millions of USD here and not just pennies. That's why major manufacturers uses Snapdragon for most of their smartphones, even Nokia. All that MTK need is to comply with GPL and if they don't then it's not the phone manufacturer's fault.
DroidBoye, 26 Sep 2019Your point of comparison is only limited to a niche market. Nokia 1 is an Android Go device wh... moreBut you can find Kernel sources for almost every Mediatek's soc...
Problem often come from other vendors parts.
It seems that the missing part on Note 8 is touchscreen...Mediatek can't be faulty for touchscreen part.
The only one who have all the sources for a device is OEM. That's why it's the only one who can released full sources.
And about Android Go, it's no longer Google who release update, it's OEM...
Nokia has many other Mediatek soc....includind Helio P60, a more recent good midrange
Its can use long-lasting. Its can better choice for this phone (Mediatek Chipset).
Please give ditails review. I am like this phone but iam concern about long term use.
please give a details review.
Alex 94, 25 Sep 2019I had iPhone 6s when I get Xiaomi with SD 660. So I can tell u that difference between mid-ran... moreYour example is somewhat backwards. It is a norm for a midrange to catch-up to the flagships after 2 years of development. What I previously meant was that if the user expects a very noticeable performance increase (non-placebo), then he/she should opt for a flagship SoC for the new phone from a midrange (SD660) that he/she already has.
Anonymous, 25 Sep 2019The question is : "is it Mediatek's fault?"
When you see how Nokia is able to update their de... moreYour point of comparison is only limited to a niche market. Nokia 1 is an Android Go device which Android and Mediatek has collaborated with for development just recently. There were only a handful of Mediatek SoC under Android Go platform. Also check the release date:
MT6737 platform was released around 2016.
Nokia 1 was released around 2018.
Given their collaboration for the Android Go and the release date for the phone, it is clear that Nokia 1 should receive up to Android 10 major update as the phone was released only last year. This is one way for MTK SoC to have better OS support but not all of their SoC were released under a special collaboration with Android using an SoC that was pretty-much considered outdated. If you want better MTK and Android OS support? Choose Android Go that uses a 2 year old SoC but since we're in a midrange phone with MTK's latest SoC designed for gaming, I bet if you consider buying the Redmi Note 8 pro that you won't even consider buying the Android Go device just so you can have consistent Android Go update.
To answer your question directly:
"Was it Mediatek's fault?"
I would say, YES, unless they changed their policy for the better that I never knew. Mediatek's issue with their own policies regarding open-source software were already talked a lot for years. If you are oblivious of such malpractices then you should read about those first before making an argument with a "cherry-picked" product just to prove a point.
I hope I'm wrong but this probably isn't going to be a good device if you like custom ROMs. MediaTek devices tend to have tumbleweed forums on XDA.
Still, it's the Note series and that's pretty popular so I could be wrong.
Even with that larger battery I think the slightly more expensive K20 is going to be a better buy. It may have no MicroSD and a smaller, albeit AMOLED screen but it'll probably end up having better SOTs and it already has custom ROMs.
Anonymous, 25 Sep 2019And beats SD730 and even some SD845 on speedtests...not bad! https://youtu.be/QdWgj2LIwns ... moreBeat the 730 just the first 10 minutes then, get heavy throttle until 730 sub levels.
No snapdragon chip? What?