Felt a bit betrayed by LG.
Never promoted developers to produce any apps that were useable on this phone.
The 2nd small screen is useless to me. Neither LG or developers supported apps designed for this 2nd screen and the worthless little apps it came with were just removed from the phone eventually because they were so bad. Haven't used the 2nd screen more than a few times in the almost a year I've owned it because there's nothing I found any use for it.
Adding any screen protector messes up the fingerprint reader. Adding camera protectors just results in poor picture reflections. And every one of 11 screen protectors I've tried that claim to be made for this phone either don't protect both screens or don't fit right on one or both screens. And since I like the screen fingerprint reader, 9 of those 11 protectors stop or severely hinder the fingerprint reader whether sensitivity is high or low.
It's all glass and one slippery, horrible-to-carry phone. If you drop it from an arm height, you can count on it landing face down and breaking the glass. Most fragile phone I've ever had. Have had to use my insurance twice to replace broken/cracked main screens because this phone is darn near impossible to hold onto.
Had to put on a pop button just to keep a hold of it since no case I've tried works with it and protects it. Cases just don't fit it well because of it's need to swivel. Have tried several and they all either scrape on the top swivel or don't protect the device well.
The camera app is so darned difficult to understand with far too many camera options that all look the same but can't be navigated to easily. I seldom use the camera because it takes 30 seconds just to get the camera working and the app adjusted to take a photo. And video capture just is not very good with stuttering recordings and what looks like old SD resolutions even though the camera is set to high HD settings.
The 5G part of the phone is really bad at picking up 5G. I have Google Pixel 5a and it works well on my T-Mobile 5G account. But this phone never shows more than 3 of 5 bars for 5G with T-Mobile in the same areas the Google phone shows 5 bars. And when the Wing starts it's back and forth seeking for 5G and dropping back to 4GLTE it gets almost no data. I finally had to shut off the 5G functionality of this phone to return to getting 4GLTE speeds that were usable. Again no issues with 5G in the same areas with Google 5a 5G on T-Mobile networks.
And one moment the screen won't register almost any touch and the next it picks up your hand holding it on the edges as 50 touches. Very annoying when it starts this.
And lastly, less than a year after buying the Wing with almost no new updates or apps designed for it, LG decides to exit the phone business. So thanks LG for selling a phone with lots of potential that could have been an innovative phone then ignoring it for it's entire partial year it was out and then abandoning all those customers who bought those phones from you. Never again will I ever buy anything LG, let alone phones.
The most things I love about this phone are, number one, the innovative form factor, because I did not like one thing about the usual phones that is when the keyboard comes up, a big portion of the display gets covered up. And also, this gives you the advantage of multitasking more conveniently almost like a PC. And number two is what I have been looking for, for a long time, which is, "not too rounded corners"! Because almost all phones nowadays come with all four corners overly rounded and most of them also come with an annoying notch, creating round black holes on display! But this phone has no imperfections of those kinds, so it earned my affection.
I hope LG would design more phones like this one.
This is one of the best phone I have used , very next , great battery
I love it so much
For a first-generation product, LG had actually got the recipe right from the start. Sure that it doesn't have a true IP68 rating because of the pop-up front camera and a headphone jack, but I can totally forgive the loss of them. The fact that this first fruition of the Explorer Project umbrella still has a microSD card and FM Radio support alongside MIL-STD-810G shockproofing totally wows me. For me, the Gimbal Mode video recording is an absolute gem, it really does feel remotely similar to using a DJI or Zhiyun gimbal.
Personally speaking, if I want to improve this phone, I will put three gimbal-stabilized periscope cameras ranging from 15mm all the way to 150mm, a 21:9 1440p 120Hz main screen, a 4:3 60Hz secondary screen, Snapdragon 778G or 780G chipset, and bigger 4,500mAh or 5,000mAh battery. Everything else is already perfect and not broken.
Im an Xperia fan but LG made some amazing phones, this was one of them. Love LG after Sony..
This is a great innovation phone great design premium design lovely screen..
PK, 07 Jul 2021Why you are talking about Samsung here in LG phone thread ? Marketing or what ?Off with the head... or else, I will rip LG's socks off...
RishiGuru, 16 Jun 2021Technically I may not have owned a Samsung, but few years back my friend was kind enough to le... moreWhy you are talking about Samsung here in LG phone thread ? Marketing or what ?
Monsieur R, 14 Jun 2021So buy Samsung flagship so u can comment. Not based on what u read, what u see and what u hear.Technically I may not have owned a Samsung, but few years back my friend was kind enough to lend his Samsung S10+ for a week.
The phone had great build & design. One of the best. Also the AMOLED display was the best I have seen on that time. But other than this two I did not like:
1) The crappy Exynos 9820 SoC which overheated while playing games.
2) Muffled audio DAC used in Exynos 9820, one of the worst audio in a flagship over audio jack.
3) Phones overheated while using camera for a extended period, even though picture quality is great. My LG V30+ handles extended camera use much better.
4) I had this unique problem of proximity sensor issue causing accidental touches and huge battery drain.
5) Unjustified high price tag, denoting fat profit margins from Samsung.
If only they provided Snapdragon variants of their flagships in India, the picture would have been very different. But that would have slightly trimmed their already fat profit margin. And Samsung does not want to budge on their profit making.
RishiGuru, 06 Jun 2021I do not want to comment on some gadget which I have never used. Moreover I have never had a S... moreSo buy Samsung flagship so u can comment. Not based on what u read, what u see and what u hear.
Muzik, 03 Jun 2021Wow, Thats was cool device. My friend bought that, I think Gen was 3rd back in 2017. It was a ... moreI do not want to comment on some gadget which I have never used. Moreover I have never had a Samsung device in my life. I feel their phones are just over priced like hell and their devices does not live upto the mark with the crappy Exynos SoC onboard. But they have stupendous marketing budget and literally buy all YouTubers & publications to sing praises of their devices. Samsung is doing a very good business and controlling the media. If I was the Samsung boss I would have been in seventh heaven, products selling with huge profit margins.
I never knew Samsung phones are tuned by AKG. Samsung were good on the auido part but never extraordinary. I knew Samsung phones came with AKG headphones. Their is hell and heaven difference between the two. Can you guide me to some article/page where I can find a clue and give my thoughts. LG & Vivo flagships are on another plane when it comes the analog audio through headphone jack.
Regarding the USB audio dongle from Samsung. If you like it then go for it. You see we all quantify sound quality in a subjective way. Objective measurements may show a different picture. In that sense if you like the sound of this dongle then use it and be happy. In the end this is what matters.
Personally I hate audio dongles but if I were to buy one I will go for Meizu Hifi Pro USB-C which was available foe $40 few months back.
RishiGuru, 03 Jun 2021My DAP days are long gone. The last one I had was FiiO X5 (Gen I) of 2015. A great DAP with gr... moreWow, Thats was cool device. My friend bought that, I think Gen was 3rd back in 2017. It was a master piece. I was so impressed by the device that played Trance that good. But, just asking if you have listen to Tab S7 sound. I guess, you ignored rest of conversations :D .. It is okey. I was hoping if you can light the samsung AKG tuned mobiles and tabs audio abilities and which is better. I know, I will not have any option but to purchase a new device. Thanks in advance.
Muzik, 28 May 2021Ya, G7+ feels a bit narrow but for me it serves my requirements. I do a lot of quick mails on ... moreMy DAP days are long gone. The last one I had was FiiO X5 (Gen I) of 2015. A great DAP with great sound quality and driving power.
But since 2015, I got hold of Vivo X5Max smartphone and my interest on bulky DAPs slowly faded away. The X5Max was sublime as it arrived with ESS ES9018K2M (DAC) with custom ESS ES9601K (I/V Converter). On the final stage it had a Texas Instruments OPA1612 op-amp as headphone amplifier. The same company (ESS) was responsible for LG's QuadDAC two years later. X5Max immediately soared to heights in terms of sound quality over headphones which I previously thought was impossible to attain in a phone.
So now I had a smartphone, a multipurpose device which I can carry anywhere, take calls, send SMS, do all kind of stuffs over WiFi & mobile data, download unlimited apps, watch movies and then played music over headphones which is 99% there in terms of sound quality to my beloved FiiO X5.
Hence my DAP sat idle accumulating dust, and my job which requires frequent travelling did not help the situation either. The Vivo X5Max became my new friend. A trusty old friend which lives to this day and provides audio nirvana when ever required.
RishiGuru, 27 May 2021First, thanks for such detailed battery performance test under different scenarios. I apprecia... moreYa, G7+ feels a bit narrow but for me it serves my requirements. I do a lot of quick mails on the go. It gives me more screen to read the text in single scroll like playlists, mails, attachments, files etc.
As we discussed earlier about the sound signatures of different models. Your in-depth knowledge about sound cards is outstanding. Before our discussion, I just had basic knowledge only. I was not that good in Terminology and hardware name. Now, I think I have idea about different brand sound hardware and customisations. If i had to change my taste which happens very rare, I have Sony Hi-Res audo player A105 which has best class output. In some instances, better then G7+ but that player's battery life is very low. I can listen 4 hrs max at full charge. All Audio signatures like B&O, meridian, Marshall, Shure etc have their own quality but can be replaced or ignored by this player (I didn't mean to hurt you).
Let me tell you a secret, ...... I am planning to buy upcoming S21 FE. It is looking quite promising and support AKG sound signatures. I hope they implement same sound as Tab S7. I like the dolby Atmos on top of it. They are very good in speaker and earphones. I didn't expect that Tab S7 sounds this good but yes, they are very good with original Samsung dongle. Just a few points above Velvet and a few points below to G7+. And yes, that dongle makes a huge difference. Other brand dongle didn't come close. Let me know if you have tried any dedicated audio player. Thanks for your support and information. Always enjoyed your presentation.
After seen specification of wing I booked it and get in 2 days.
Further comments after use.
Muzik, 27 May 2021I agree on LG price drop part. They drop the price like a zero value. Same happened with me al... moreFirst, thanks for such detailed battery performance test under different scenarios. I appreciate your effort of writing in such detail. Makes every use case scenarios very clear.
It's true prices of LG flagships fall like stone. The LG G7+ was maybe launched at INR 40K in India but Flipkart were selling them brand new for just INR 15.5K during Mar, 2020 sale. I bought one, brand new sealed pack with accessories like braided cabled headphones, wall charger & USB cable. No accessory was missing in the box. However by that time I already had two LG V30+ and I liked that phone more than G7+. You may call it my personal preference. A week after sold the G7+ to one of my friends. Anyway I was quite impressed with G7+, the LCD display was awesome, even though a bit narrow for my liking.
The Sabre ES9218P audio chip better know as LG's Quad DAC was a custom design made by ESS for LG. The QuadDAC was designed & built by ESS in accordance to LG's requirement in having the option to tweak at hardware level to attain desired sound signature by sound tuning houses. Different types a digital filters can be applied and custom discrete circuitry can be implemented along the input stage of QuadDAC.
This is where famous audio houses like Bang & Olufsen (B&O) and Meridian Audio comes into picture. LG then made partnership with these famous tuning houses so as to custom tune QuadDAC in the phone's hardware level and attain their signature sound. This led the same QuadDAC to have drastically different sound signatures depending upon who tuned it. Look no further than B&O tuned LG V30+ & Meridian tuned LG G8X. Same high fidelity sound with sound signatures that are poles apart. So V30+ and G8X have a certain flavor in the sound, which are distinct and I love both. G7+ was tuned by LG, so it had different sound signature, though very close to B&O.
The LG V60 had ES9219, which is knocked down version of the legendary ES9218P, with no custom tuning option and reduced BOM cost. ES9218P was the real QuadDAC powering G6, V30, G7, V35, V40, G8, V50, V50S, G8X devices.
Regarding the deal between LG India & Walmart backed Flipkart and how insane low prices they can offer on LG devices, its all down to money. It is of no secret LG India's annual sales were very poor if Flipkart does not comes to rescue. Now coming down to core business, from Flipkart side they want a sell a INR 70K flagship mobile for INR 20K during sale period which will garner huge media attention and pull a lot of prospective buyers. But any healthy and profit making mobile phone manufacturer will not do this as it will devalue its brand image. So Samsung, Apple and even Chinese manufacturers like Vivo, Oppo will not do it.
So Flipkart targets LG, as it a very good manufacturer with product quality as good as Samsung but in eternal loss making cycles. During the Oct, 2020 Diwali sale Flipkart wrote cheques of crores of rupees to LG India to start LG G8X production on full scale in their Vietnam factory. On the 1st sale of Flipkart Big Billion Days on 16th Oct, 2020 Flipkart sold whopping 1.50 lakhs units of G8X at insane INR 20K and made business of INR 350 crores within the 12 hrs of sale. Provided G8X sale was such a huge hit and was available in Flipkart till this month, I will not be surprised if that that model only did some INR 2000 crore business in India. In the end both parties made healthy profit and created a very special relationship.
Off topic, recently I got hold of a budget LG K42 @ INR 7200. I am so impressed. If you judge a phone by user experience & in hand feel rather than just raw performance, the K42 delivers. This is where similarly priced budget Chinese phones falls behind.
RishiGuru, 26 May 2021I don't know... LG prices drop like hell.
In Jan 2019, I bought a brand new LG V30+ @... moreI agree on LG price drop part. They drop the price like a zero value. Same happened with me also. I brought LG G7+ Thinq at the price on 40K during launch. Later, it dropped to 28K after 8-9 months. To be very true, I didn't mind price dropping and never regret the purchase. I got what i wanted at that time. I dont know whats the deal between Flipkart and LG regarding price but one thing is sure that they remove many things when price down. Like 28K G7+ didn't came with Headphone and 7/10 people who had purchased later were facing screen bleeding or low battery issues. I think they sold returned products after repacking.
3.5 mm jack wont make any difference as it lacks on hardware part (Quad DAC) is well. It has just average sound. Even Velvet have better sound than this.
Battery part is also count as just average. I experienced some positive and negative points.
1. I continuously opened the camera app for almost 4 hours as i was trying to capture bird movements. It was earlier 98% after shoot it was 41% which is good according to me.
2. I got 4-5 hours of Freefire in mid graphics.
3. I watched continues movies while doing multitasking (Gmail/yahoo etc) for 6 hrs almost and battery status was 81% to 9% which is good.
4. I tried to run back up from G-Drive which took almost 5 hrs and battery drains from 66% to 12%.
1. While watching movies from Netflix with Bluetooth, It drains from 91% to 9% in just one movie.
2. Call time is not great. I noticed after a multiple calls that on an average of 1 hr talk, It consumes 15% of the battery.
3. Google maps (Navigation) consumes most battery 2.5 hrs and it went down from 99% to 32%.
4. Dual screen consumes much more battery than I expected. Didn't have data but I just realised that.
After 5 days, My bro came and collected his gift. :D I dont have this mobile anymore.
But still, I am quite satisfied for 30K price.
Muzik, 25 May 2021250$?? You mean INR 20000 ... Man.. this mobile is not that low according to me. I really like... moreI don't know... LG prices drop like hell.
In Jan 2019, I bought a brand new LG V30+ @ INR 11.7K ($156) from Flipkart without exchange. That phone was launched in Jan, 2018 for INR 45K ($600).
In Oct 2020, I bought a brand new LG G8X with Dual Screen case slapped in for INR 18K ($245) from the same online retailer. This phone was launched in India, Jan 2020 for INR 50K ($640). In both above cases I received 10% flat instant discount with card offers.
LG Wing was launched in Oct, 2020 (India) for INR 70K. The price was set higher due to innovative design concept, which never got to masses until recent monumental price drop to INR 30K. But the actual BOM cost of the device is maybe around INR 15K max. So they can sell Wing for INR 25K and still retain a healthy INR 10K profit, 50:50 distributed between LG & Flipkart. I am not considering and development cost of the device, as LG mobile division is closing down. LG just want to clear the hardware stockpile with a little profit margin.
But I don't think this phone will ever drop below the INR 25K price point. That's why I said if it gets an insane price drop of INR 20K, I am going to break my mental barrier of having a phone without audio jack and buy one instead. :)
By the way ... how is the battery backup of the LG Wing? Does it take you through a day with normal use? Or do you need to charge twice a day? Finding a lot of negative comments regarding battery backup on Youtube. Thanks in advance!!!
RishiGuru, 25 May 2021I don't think we will have the LG V60 available in India with the company shutting down t... more250$?? You mean INR 20000 ... Man.. this mobile is not that low according to me. I really like camera part, it is super cool in manual mode with Raw capabilities and full resolution. I think, 20k will be too low.