vinny, 18 Nov 2009I think that "anonymous" guys just don't have any common sens.
just tell him that the X10 is ... moreThat's a good idea :)
Hey anonymous guys, will you stop comming here if I write that X10 is the best phone in the world ?
Btw. Vinny, have you got your N900 already ?
Cain, 18 Nov 2009You know official info, why do you ask me ? Official info is that X10 is coming in February 20... moreI think that "anonymous" guys just don't have any common sens.
just tell him that the X10 is the best phone on earth (even if it doesn't exist yet), so he'll stop trolling the post on the milestone.
Anonymous, 18 Nov 2009Then you cant tell me the official info and i dont see x10 has a troble, x10 is still a protot... moreYou know official info, why do you ask me ? Official info is that X10 is coming in February 2010. That is enough for anyone who has a brain. Other companies already have their Android phones on the market. Do you think SE started developing X10 just last month ? They had to announce it so you fanboys have something to bore other people with. If there were no problems, X10 would be on market together with Droid. Or do you think SE wants other companies to sell as many phones as they can before entering the market ???
And I am not bashing anything before it comes out. The only bashing here is made by YOU, SE fanboy who comes to the Moto thread and badmouth Milestone. Do you see me anywhere on the X10 forum ? You constantly accuse me of doing things that you actually do. Do you think people are stupid ? If I wanted to bash X10 then I would post links to videos where people can see how slow, choppy and laggy its UI is. But I am not doing that because it is not final yet and I have some common sense.
Cain, 17 Nov 2009There's no fight here. The only fight is you VS common sense :D:D:DI agree with u Cain , somekind of person only complain and give critic ,about Moto or another brand they don't like it . But they can't made a phone perfect like their dream/imagine. If they can prove it ;make your own Mobile Phone. So many time wasting to complain but no improvement ^oo^ .
No Critic No Improvement (Watching Person) ; Have Critic No Improvement (Looser)
Have Critic Do Improvement (Winner--> like developer Nokia , SE , Moto , Samsung)
Cain, 18 Nov 2009So you know better then me how I actually feel ? I don't hate any CPU. Motorola CLIQ has Qualc... moreThen you cant tell me the official info and i dont see x10 has a troble, x10 is still a prototype and got better time by time...what is the troble ? iam very confused with you..
X10 was just announced this month and it will take few months to release the phone from its announcement as motorola did with their milestone, they need time to release the milestone...
i told you that milestone has a problem like external speaker then you knew it and i give you the web link officialy about the problem but you? where did you get that x10 has a troble?
you cant said like that coz you always tell me that i cant compare x10 with milestone coz x10 is not out yet but in fact you bashed x10 before you know the final perfomance of x10...
Yes, that is the only thing motorola can do and i doubt that motorola wont use snapdragon next time..if you bash snapdragon it will kill your self..
what cain say about Snapdragon is right, its like defend a 2.26Ghz Pentium M over a 1.8Ghz Core 2 Duo because both are P6 michroarchitecture. Both Snapdragon and Cortex-A8 are ARM bassed but the dedicated graphic is diferent, so what one get in higher clocks the other get in better performance and that make it more powerfull in some applications than other (also depend a lot on software optimization).
X10 is not on market so dont compare with in-market phones, because guess what? when X10 will hit the stores other companies (Motorola, HTC, Samsung, etc) will also announce another cellphones that will put on shame your precious X10.
Also is the price fact, SE most of the times are overpriced, so i spect this X10 cost over €600 without contract (SIM-free) and this moto already cost €450.
No radio??? that's sad.
Droid seems very powerfull, but no radio? c'mon!
Anonymous, 18 Nov 2009and dont forget about DSP and GPU :)
In fact you just slaped or bashed the snapdragon.Accept ... moreSo you know better then me how I actually feel ? I don't hate any CPU. Motorola CLIQ has Qualcomm's CPU. And it is possible that in future more Moto phones will use various Qualcomm CPUs. So why should I hate them ? I am not a blind fanboy like you.
X10 obviously has problems optimizing for Snapdragon. All you have to do is turn your brain ON. What else is there in X10 ? 8MP camera ? It is already on the market, no problem there. Android OS ? Already on market. 1GHz Snapdragon CPU ? There's the problem.
Maybe other manufacturers have the same problems. MAYBE even Moto. But they decided to sell phones with different CPUs until they master Snapdragon. Companies are not stupid. They don't cling on to one hardware part and blindly force it. You see, Moto has two Android phones with different CPUs. There is no love or hate here. Only good judgement of what is CURRENTLY the best choice.
and dont forget about DSP and GPU :)
In fact you just slaped or bashed the snapdragon.Accept that!!
are you crazy? X10 just announced this month...it doesnt mean x10 has snapdragon troble but where did you get the info? tell me officially!
Anonymous, 18 Nov 2009You said "SE is having much trouble in optimizing Snapdragon for X10"
who said?until now x1... moreYes I said SE is having trouble optimizing and I am sticking to it. If there was no trouble, X10 would already be out on the market.
I said that 550MHz omap 3430 was BETTER CHOICE for Moto RIGHT NOW then 1GHz Snapdragon. Otherwise Droid would still be in the works. And I said the difference in speed of those CPUs is not that great as you would like to make it by only forcing frequency numbers.
In future all phones will use better and more optimized/ power savvy CPUs. So I don't see you as being especially clever by pointing it out...
And see, even you say that X10 is a prototype device. So, why are you comming here every day and yapping about it ? Let's wait until it is out on the market.
Cain, 18 Nov 2009There are no stupid Motorola fans here. Stupid fans go to threads they hate and flame another ... moreYou said "SE is having much trouble in optimizing Snapdragon for X10"
who said?until now x10 is still a prototype device and SE is evolving X10...
You said" 550MHz omap 3430 is better than 1GHz snapdragon GPU bla bla bla "
dont forget that :)
got mine yesterday,believe ne guys its better than iphone in some ways specially if your into multi tasking,where u can open different application w/o closing current apps. not to much application but it has a BT working with other BT device which menas u dont need pc to transfer files and u can personalize without jailbreaking it..but dont take my word for it,better try it guys, cons for me is-its heavy
The USA version in the Verizon store is QWERTY.
Every phone has weaknesses but when will fanboys get tired of going into other phone threads to say "x phone is better than this"? Do phones not come in a range of features, styles, and prices?
Will the X10 be more successful than the Droid? It could be. The Droid has now widened the road to success for all Android phones. For me if given the choice I prefer slide out QWERTYs (I owned an HTC Touch Pro) over virtual (I also owned an iPhone).
Anonymous, 18 Nov 2009No! i was fighting with stupid motorola fans here who tried to hide weaknesses of this phone, ... moreThere are no stupid Motorola fans here. Stupid fans go to threads they hate and flame another fans. Milestone has no weaknesses, it is a well balanced phone.
We don't hate or bash X10 because it is not yet out and nobody knows how it really performs. Also no one hates 1GHz CPUs. Motorola will surely use faster CPUs in the future. It may be Snapdragon, or some Omap CPU, it really doesn't matter, there are a lot CPUs powerfull enough. SE is having much trouble in optimizing Snapdragon for X10 so it was a good decision by Motorola to go with Omap, otherwise we would be also waiting for February. Milestone uses "only" 550MHz CPU, but is it enough for this kind of phone. All reviews clearly state that this is THE FASTEST Android phone. You act like this is slow, and that just 1GHz would be ok. In reality, Milestone is quite fast, and as I said, quite well balanced phone.
You are a flaming SE fan, everyone can see you in X10 thread, so don't lie that you hope "Moto will fix problems". You would like Moto to fail, but that is not going to happen. And as one guy before me said already, Moto fixed all problem through silent updates, dumb :)
carbonbased, 17 Nov 2009GSMarena image for Milestone shows incorrect key layout. Photo shows QWERTZ. thats german keyboard..thats why its QWERTZ not QWERTY
carbonbased, 17 Nov 2009GSMarena image for Milestone shows incorrect key layout. Photo shows QWERTZ. that is how all images of tha Motorola MILESTONE are.. i have yet to confirm if tha production model does have this messed up keyboard with tha "Y" & "Z" keys swapped.. but would throw me off if it did.. and would be tha main reason i would not buy one if it is QWERTZ and not QWERTY lol
Anonymous, 18 Nov 2009No! i was fighting with stupid motorola fans here who tried to hide weaknesses of this phone, ... moreFirst,the Snapdragon processor is laggy and has no 3d Graphics support like the ARM Cortex A8,and second,the Droid has some problems that are already fixed,Milestone have just launched today,dumb!
Cain, 17 Nov 2009There's no fight here. The only fight is you VS common sense :D:D:DNo! i was fighting with stupid motorola fans here who tried to hide weaknesses of this phone, who always hate or bash 1GHz phone coz this phone doesnt use 1GHz..they have bad mouth about 1GHz snapdragon whereas next time motorola will use 1 GHz snapdragon too...i doubt motorola wont use snapdragon. you should accept the fact that this phone use only 550MHz without give badmouth about snapdragon
milestone has external speaker and camera focus problems...i hope motorola fix it asap