SuuperBaka, 08 Apr 2021Nice way of twisting my words.
"Adopting technologies that have never been used in the ... more(Continued)
"all count as innovations since they are new concepts"
Nah, Dual Pixel AF and a fingerprint scanner were not really a new concept at all. As I already said they were new in the smartphones when they were first implemented on them, but in other industries they had existed for quite some time before.
"if there's going to be credit for innovation on that then it goes to the one who made the camera"
RYYB sensors had never existed in commercially available products before P30 series came out and QB sensors were first used on a smartphone in P20 Pro. The initial implementations of those technologies were fairly all right as well, and they did show their advantages over the existing approaches in areas where the company claimed them to be better at.
Now, Sony deserves a partial credit for producing those sensors in the first place (though much less so for RYYB - all they did was to use a yellow dye instead of a green one, other than that there was nothing new about IMX600y), but the reasons why those new technologies ended up being relatively successful was that Huawei poured their R&D into image processing tuning so that the cameras can take decent looking photos with those new, unorthodox sensors. Smartphone cameras are not about just buying the sensor from Sony/Samsung/OV, there's actually a lot more to it. This is also why many technological innovations that happen in smartphone industry is related to them.
"btw my username is referencing you"
Sweet, greatly appreciated! Have a good day super baka-san :)
SuuperBaka, 08 Apr 2021Nice way of twisting my words.
"Adopting technologies that have never been used in the ... more"So what technology did these Chinese companies adopt that hasn't been used in the industry before?"
A fixed FL 5x/10x periscope lens, a pop up/flip camera, a Quad Bayer sensor, liquid lens, free form lens, as well as the ones that you mentioned such as a gimbal stabilisation, in-display optical FPS and (although it's still at its infancy) in-display FFC. Kirin 970 was the first smartphone SoC with built-in NPU, and 990 was the first one to support the state of the art RAW level BM3D NR for image denoising. Oh, and Vivo will be the first company to bring a sensor with one of three Kodak RGBW CFA patterns in the smartphone industry. Enough?
digividPro, 08 Apr 2021After reading most of the comments here, sounds like most of here are either very young crowd ... moreI agree with you bud. Up here in Canada we haven't had Sony available for my last 3 phone upgrades and since the newer Samsung's are 'meh' to me I think I need to start a go-fund-me to get the mark III. I miss my old Sony phones as they were perfect back then and I know they've only gotten better over time.
Regardless of what these chinese brand loyalists think or say.
Diamon, 08 Apr 2021Sony phone always be the same boring nothing hypes abouts it, the fake youtuber who got fake h... moreLmao you must be one of the people who complain why the Xperia Pro is expensive
aknsreddy, 08 Apr 2021Sony Pricing and battery will never work.Come out of stone age era. Sony has the best battery since they came up from Z series.
You are just unaware about modern technology
Nick Tegrataker, 08 Apr 2021Adopting technologies that have never been used in the industry before or combining the existi... moreNice way of twisting my words.
"Adopting technologies that have never been used in the industry before"
So what technology did these Chinese companies adopt that hasn't been used in the industry before?
"or combining the existing technologies to create new concepts AND successfully executing them"
Here I can agree, but other than the in-display fingerprint scanner which has it's own problems and in-display camera, there isn't much that has already been done.
According to my logic, innovations are something new or unique which all of your examples from Dual Pixel AF on a phone to fingerprint scanners all count as innovations since they are new concepts. Vivo is a company that I can say has innovation with their gimbal camera and in-display fingerprint scanner, but not so much for the rest of the companies. They aren't "pioneers of innovation" like the other comments seem to suggest. Huawei has custom-made camera hardware, if there's going to be credit for innovation on that then it goes to the one who made the camera, not the one buying it.
Next time when you comment, maybe stop being a clown, and btw my username is referencing you since you seem to project yourself on to others.
VectorR, 08 Apr 2021Bullsh*t and propaganda! Xiaomi, Huawei, Oppo means innovation and quality for quite a while. ... moreThat is very aggressive and seems defensive rather than making a point. Making a point looks like this:
Huawei is out of the game (No Google Services and older processors), Xiaomi is no longer cheap- the Mi 11 Pro costs $1099.99 (Though there are 4 different versions Mi 11, Mi 11i, Mi 11 Pro and now the Mi 11 Ultra is announced, which is confusing as to which one is the flagship?). Similarly Oppo Find X2, X2 Pro, X2 Neo and X2 Lite- followed by the new X3 generation, though there isn't a regular X3 at the moment.
A general thing about chinese phones- 1) The UI is pretty poor, 2) Sanctions (Risk losing support), 3) Poor Build Quality- the highly innovative Oppo Find X3 Pro uses Gorilla Glass 5 from 2 years ago, and older usb 2.0 is used on the Mi 11 Pro (current one is 3.1) 4) Poor Design- have you seen how these look, like really? 5) No Expandable Storage or headphone jack in flagships and no more 'flagship killers'.
If Sony is so bad and not innovative- here are a list of features that Chinese phones ship with when they send out the phone but magically dissapear by the time they get to you:
4K HDR video at 60fps, yes HDR at 60fps not 30fps (even Samsung can't do it in S21 Ultra)
4K HDR 120fps Slow Motion
Headphone Jack/ Expandable Storage
Super Color Accurate Displays when watching content
Not having super baked in beauty modes or over-saturated image processing.
No screen Tinting
Very wide phones 16:9, though they magically become 20:9 almost as thin as 21:9 which is scoffed at.
No notches/ cut-out
Upscaling tech for audio and video to super-resolution and make poor music closer to lossless.
Front facing stereo speakers
Easy to remove sim-tray (without a specialised sim tool)
Thinness, Mi 11 Pro is 8.5mm thick, compared to Xperia 1 II at 7.6mm.
Light weight, Oppo Find X3 Pro is 193g and Xiaomi Mi 11 Pro is 208g with Xperia 1 II at 181.4g
Manual Control in Photography & Cinematography
20 fps burst photography (fast burst & af speeds)
Physical shutter key/ button
360 Reality Audio & free quality headphones at pre-order given the price
Denis Thomas, 08 Apr 2021You must be very young aren't you? Sony Mobile innovates every few years. I can name a ... moreSony greatest novelty is in the malfunction Department. Once you bought it, it will astound you.
digividPro, 08 Apr 2021After reading most of the comments here, sounds like most of here are either very young crowd ... moreI have bought a sony phone once (Xz2 compact). never again. It was the worst Purchased i have made in my life. A lot of money for no value. There was no one to talk to at sony or my local soplier. Any celphone buyer will be beter with anything els.
After reading most of the comments here, sounds like most of here are either very young crowd who has never used a Sony Phone, do not understand quality technology or who are simply bashing because they are defending their own choice of products they bought. To begin with for beginners, following is not to bash any brand but highlight the difference based on preference:
- Sony has a very niche Market and that small audience is extremely and highly focused on Simplicity, Quality, Ease of use and Reliability of product.
- I have owned and used Samsung Sony as well Apple. So i knw the difference in products very well. None of them is bad and have their own strengths. But Huawei, ViVo, Oppo Rest. They might be selling more for less, but none of them are even close to Value or Quality.
- Yes, Sony does not sells lot of phones as they really fell behind in marketing gimicks and instead focused more in pioneering and innovating new technologies. I dont need to mention technologies, as everyone knows how good they are when it comes pro world.
- Sony Phones are based on 3 simple things i.e. Quality, Data Security/Stability and Simplicity of Experience. They do not add anything which is fancy, data hogging and Show Off. Anyone who has used Sony and other products side by side would know this. Others are just ones who want to bash.
- Sony is Simple Quality. Period! Phones are like a tank. Buy it.. 2-3 years later.. its still runs with same great performance and battery endurance it had on day 1. They don't steal your data, they dont add any apps you dont need, they dont have super heavy custom UI. Its Simple Good Quality Phone with Loaded Display and Audio Experience!
Lastly I only wanna say this, you dont like Sony or other brands, thats your personal choice, but please dont spread rumors based on Chinese whispers. Check the product out in person and then decide.
I Live in States and Sony does not even Market in States. And Every Single person who saw and used my xperia for few mins, only had praises for it how gorgeous this Slim, Light Weight and Simple and Easy to use phone is and that they were not aware Sony is still being Sold in States.
Please don't shutdown your phone business sony.
I know your phone business always fail every year. And i also know you will repeat the same failure again.
Because i still enjoy seeing the sonywar in gsma.
Sony phone always be the same boring nothing hypes abouts it, the fake youtuber who got fake hype every year (basically for viewers $$$) & always fake customers who said they're gonna buy it, save them from existence.
SuuperBaka, 08 Apr 2021Bullsh*t and propaganda? Xiaomi, Huawei, Oppo means innovation and quality for quite a while?
... moreAdopting technologies that have never been used in the industry before or combining the existing technologies to create new concepts AND successfully executing them (i.e. implement them in a form that consumers can appreciate) do indeed count as an innovation.
By your logic Dual Pixel AF sensor on Galaxy S7 wasn't innovative because Canon's certain DSLRs already had it back in 2013. Xperia Play's stereo speakers were nothing new as well since there had been already big speaker systems that are capable of outputting sound in stereo for decades (and speaker components inside the phone weren't made by Sony themselves), and a fingerprint scanner on iPhone 5S wasn't worth talking about either as a countless number of office/government buildings had one back when the phone was released!
Your definition of innovation is ridiculous.. the username definitely checks out.
VectorR, 08 Apr 2021You're unlucky bugger or just lie yourself. I compared Galaxy Buds+, Sennheiser Momentum,... moreNo difference at all? Lol, what a troll. Even my dad can easily listen the difference between wired and wireless Bluetooth sound on his Samsung phone, and he's not even an audio guy.