Anonymous, 09 Jan 2013"Amazingly, I do not own an Android, WP8/WP7.5 or I device" - neither do I:) and I d... moreJust reading you and the tone you employed to answer me lead me to the conclusion that you are a troll.
If you discard informations we provide you just to comfort your own personal opinion, then, we can not have any good exchange. Ok, Microsoft won for the US army "OS battle", and made it again in Russia (they were expected to use a Mandriva/Rosa remixed version previously; just read this blog article: http://linuxblog.darkduck.com/2012/07/russia-dumps-linux-for-windows.html), but world is bigger than just one or two continents :) .
And by the way, the person who was asserting one thing without proof and me are completely different people. But heck, I am writing to an anonymous person lol!
Enough said in this topic, and to all people here, anonymous or not, have a nice day.
gilbs, 09 Jan 2013Wow! Your measure of what makes a smartphone is the touchscreen?
No point discussing with you.No, that is not the single measure at all.
I have made my point and you can try and be a noob and change history as much as you want but at one stage Windows Mobile was by far the most popular and interesting mobile OS with far more 3rd party development and far more progressive development than any other OS. You can't just wipe that period of time from history because you are a Symbian fanboy.
I am not a MS fanboy in case you try to twist this again. Fanboys don't make for good technology progress at all, not a fan of fanboys :)
gilbs, 09 Jan 2013Your comment mainly argues that "Windows started it all". While I don't agree, I'll ... moreMy argument is that there were versions of MS OSs prior to WP7 that were great.
Your comment that all versions before WP7 were bad is silly when you consider the factors like life before Android and the incrediable amount of apps development that occured for Windows Mobile.
Multiple home screens and widget apps were on WM devices before Android. The development capability of WM was miles beyond Symbian. It isn't even a point that needs to be debated. It's just a historical fact.
By leaving Symbian, Nokia dismissed millions of Symbian users. Nokia should have kept with Symbian. If they thought it couldn't be done at least they could have kept the familiar interface on top of a newer OS (e.g. meego, and I won't even mention the "a" word). This way, their loyal users would have kept buying Nokia.
This Windows deal is traitor's handiwork (Elop came from Microsoft). I can smell Microsoft easing in to eventually acquire a hardware manufacturer (the missing piece to compete with Apple and Google).
Cowz, 09 Jan 2013A so called Symbian smart phone back then in no way compared to what was on WM or Pocket PC. ... moreWow! Your measure of what makes a smartphone is the touchscreen?
No point discussing with you.
gilbs, 09 Jan 2013IMHO what started the industry (from the very beginning) was Symbian. Symbian was more fun! Be... moreA so called Symbian smart phone back then in no way compared to what was on WM or Pocket PC. Symbian devices were not even touch screen for ages. I didn't consider them true smart phones at all.
The apps development that took off on PDAs and carried over to phones is where it all began. People took the simple, awkaward and boring interface and build great UI's and apps to turn PDAs and phones into someting special and never seen before.
Private Symbian development was much more low key and was just apps.
Cowz, 09 Jan 2013Regarding your comment about pre-WP7 versions .... that is the sort of ill informed comment ne... moreYour comment mainly argues that "Windows started it all". While I don't agree, I'll let you have that argument. Still, "starting it all" doesn't mean it isn't a disaster.
Let's trust those who've used Windows mobile devices prior to Windows 7. Obviously, that market got burned, and until 6.5 never took off. It lagged terribly!
Cowz, 09 Jan 2013I am only a hater of WP8 (never tried WP7). WP6.5 and prior was what started the industry and... moreIMHO what started the industry (from the very beginning) was Symbian. Symbian was more fun! Before that, it was the PDA and the phone (separately). :)
gilbs, 09 Jan 2013When Nokia moved to WP, it is a totally new phone, to be evaluated by every user and loved/hat... moreRegarding your comment about pre-WP7 versions .... that is the sort of ill informed comment new people to the industry make.
There was a time when it was only Palm and MS smartphones which came from the Palm vs MS PDS battle. Symbian had things they called smart phones but they didn't really compare. Blackberry came next and still no one had heard of Android or the iPhone.
You have to get to 2005/2006 before the Android and iOS thing started. Prior to that Windows Mobile was the most configurable OS and XDA Developers was where most great advancements were coming from.
I was driving around with my GPS capable phone (Windows mobile) and turn by turn navigation (with voice) on my phone in 2006. Google only existed as a project then (first phone 2008).
Consider yourself learned.
Jovster, 08 Jan 2013Even Samsung, the only corporation making money off Android, are abandoning the Android train ... moreAre you the only person not aware that Samsung has always had a Windows line of smartphones - the Omnia? Samsung making the Ativ is no indication that they are abandoning the Galaxy (android) - that is soooo desperate stretch of imagination. Abandoing... hahaha
And, everyone knows sales of the Omnia has always fell behind their Galaxy (android) line.
Killer Droid, 09 Jan 2013Thanks like a said many corporation in europe use linux because it's better. Usa is not the wo... morehey...troll, do you see there german/italian/french car manufacturers?or from the insurance, bank fields and many others? the world is not just appzz and gamezz...
ObserverPh, 09 Jan 2013you replyd to a fellow Wp hater.. :)I am only a hater of WP8 (never tried WP7). WP6.5 and prior was what started the industry and it was fun. Well MS Pocket PC 2000 was probably where it started (on PDAs).
I don't understand what MS development did for 3 years .... "ok, we have the tile idea, now lets go to the pub for 3 years"
When Nokia moved to WP, it is a totally new phone, to be evaluated by every user and loved/hated from scratch. Using it has totally nothing to do with the Nokia (Symbian) many of us loved through the years. In fact, a Lumia is more related to an Ativ than to previous Nokias. So, it's an illusion to say that "Nokia is best" when the new WP phone (incidentally also made by and called by the name "Nokia") has yet to prove itself. Either that, or you're just plainly a Nokia fanboy - in which case, if Nokia uses any OS (even Android) you will still blindly proclaim its greatness! Same thing with the Ativ.
For that matter, it's worth mentioning that all Windows mobile OS prior to WP7 have been disasters--so Microsoft has yet to prove itself and be loved/hated in time. If one reads between the lines "5 times" means nothing. You can sell 5 phones and that's 5 times the only phone you sold last year. :)
Killer Droid, 09 Jan 2013Lol unique because of the ugliest UI ever what do you think wp is going to do with 2%? Develo... moreI liked the tiles :)
Agree about apps. In the presentation they said that there are now 10,000 new apps in the store. That was very decpetive as most are not new at all but just ported versions of pre-existing software. I can also confirm that most of the rest were very amature.
Picar0, 09 Jan 2013Challenge accepted lol:
Go read this first: http://www.aaxnet.com/design/linux2.html .
A... more"Amazingly, I do not own an Android, WP8/WP7.5 or I device" - neither do I:) and I don't know why users like you are muuuuuuuuuuch moooooore reasonable to talk with than the others. Many of that names that you gave in the link don't ring a bell to me for europe corporations as he said(but that's not really important) and there are some really big names:) - from automotive industry and so on. And about US army you might check:
Believe me microsoft doesn't pay me:) and I don't give a "censored word":) who uses what and why but it's annoying to see guys like that dude talking without real evidence, but that's one of the troll definition I guess
ObserverPh, 09 Jan 2013Still Windows is a household name..i bet many home desktop uses primarily Windows and MacOS. :)Lol unique because of the ugliest UI ever what do you think wp is going to do with 2%? Developer don't want to do app for wp. It cost 1000 $ to make app for wp lol ad the 2% and voila Dead Os.
Killer Droid, 09 Jan 2013Thanks like a said many corporation in europe use linux because it's better. Usa is not the wo... moreAs a owner of previous Microsoft mobile OS devices (from PDA Pocket PC versions, through WM versions up to 6.5) I was really looking forward to my WP8 phone. I was prepared to put up with the limited apps store too.
What I owned in WP8 was awful. No quick settings access. No gesture keyboard. A really bad IE browser (can't reflow properly into pure fonts, awful).
The problem is it doesn't matter how much software you get if there is for example no 3rd party SIP API then no one can build you another option for a keypad. If there is no 3rd party API access to WiFi Settings etc then no one can build you a quick settings widget (and if Microsoft are too arrogant to give it to you themselves then there is nothing that can be done) so all you can do is have icons that open settings pages.
I found things like my battery draining quickly because it was too time consuming to turn off WiFi when out and about.
I was beyond disappointed. Apps won't help. These are design decision issues. At a minimum WP8 needs a 3rd party browser because after more than 10 years of mobile browsers MS still have no idea what they are doing.
That was WP8 for me (well actually there are many more issues but little time and space). Phone returned.
Killer Droid, 09 Jan 2013Thanks like a said many corporation in europe use linux because it's better. Usa is not the wo... moreStill Windows is a household name..i bet many home desktop uses primarily Windows and MacOS. :)